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No Country for Old Men - was Anton Chigurh behind the door or not?
Posted on 5/13/22 at 11:11 am
Posted on 5/13/22 at 11:11 am
Love this movie-- one of my favorites-- but this one scene always bugged me.
Link to 1 minute segment of scene in question
After Llewellyn Moss was taken out by the Mexicans, Sheriff Ed Tom revisits Moss' hotel room crime scene later that night. He sees the lock punched out, similar to previous instances indicating that Chigurh has been there.
The camera switches to what is apparently the other side of the door, in the dark, where there is Chigurh, with a gun, hiding. You can see the light coming through the empty lock.
Sheriff unholsters his gun, scene switches to another, more close up view of Chigurh in the dark.
Sheriff pushes open the door, which hits the wall, with no Chigurh behind it (very narrow space, not like he was still behind the door).
So what happened to Chigurh?
I've read up on it; some say he was hiding in the room behind the door (don't think he was), others say he moved elsewhere in the room and hid, both groups say he left when the Sheriff went into and searched the bathroom.
Others say he wasn't in the room then, it was the Sheriff's imagination being shown. Not sure I buy that, as the movie was always shown in 'real time' and actual footage, no flashbacks or imagination. Seems odd to use it only at this point in time.
What say you baws?
Link to 1 minute segment of scene in question
After Llewellyn Moss was taken out by the Mexicans, Sheriff Ed Tom revisits Moss' hotel room crime scene later that night. He sees the lock punched out, similar to previous instances indicating that Chigurh has been there.
The camera switches to what is apparently the other side of the door, in the dark, where there is Chigurh, with a gun, hiding. You can see the light coming through the empty lock.
Sheriff unholsters his gun, scene switches to another, more close up view of Chigurh in the dark.
Sheriff pushes open the door, which hits the wall, with no Chigurh behind it (very narrow space, not like he was still behind the door).
So what happened to Chigurh?
I've read up on it; some say he was hiding in the room behind the door (don't think he was), others say he moved elsewhere in the room and hid, both groups say he left when the Sheriff went into and searched the bathroom.
Others say he wasn't in the room then, it was the Sheriff's imagination being shown. Not sure I buy that, as the movie was always shown in 'real time' and actual footage, no flashbacks or imagination. Seems odd to use it only at this point in time.
What say you baws?
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Posted on 5/13/22 at 11:14 am to BRich
I always assumed it was his imagination. It was simply an illustration of his fear.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 11:22 am to BRich
I always assumed he was in the other room.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 11:27 am to Salmon
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I always assumed it was his imagination. It was simply an illustration of his fear.
That's what I was thinking too. I haven't seen the movie in quite a while (need to now), but didn't he retire right after this occurred? If so, him imagining it based off of fear makes sense.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 11:34 am to A Menace to Sobriety
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That's what I was thinking too. I haven't seen the movie in quite a while (need to now), but didn't he retire right after this occurred? If so, him imagining it based off of fear makes sense.
This is always how I took it
Posted on 5/13/22 at 11:53 am to Salmon
quote:
I always assumed it was his imagination. It was simply an illustration of his fear.
Yep.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 12:59 pm to BRich
I saw an analysis of this movie and Anton Chigurh's character literally represents death. He is like the undertaker or the grim reaper. Black curtain-like hair on either side of his pale face wearing all black clothes. He is relentless, effective, and non discriminatory when he takes a life. There's a certain amount of chance like when he flips a coin and doesn't kill the store keeper. He always seems to be just around the corner or directly behind the person being chased; slowly persistent and inevitable.
Anyways, it could be plausible that the "getting too old for this" sheriff was envisioning his looming death. That the tall pale man is both there and not there in any given moment. If Chigurh's character literally was a metaphor for death then it might make sense that he never was really in the room.
Anyways, it could be plausible that the "getting too old for this" sheriff was envisioning his looming death. That the tall pale man is both there and not there in any given moment. If Chigurh's character literally was a metaphor for death then it might make sense that he never was really in the room.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 1:02 pm to BRich
It's Schrodinger's Chigurh
Posted on 5/13/22 at 1:03 pm to BRich
What i recall about this scene is the Sherriff un-holstering a Colt 1911 Gov't issue with the hammer down, which no one would ever do since the hammer is touching the primer. He then proceeds to cock the hammer back with his thumb, which is also dangerous. A war vet would know better. He would have the hammer in a locked position or would rack the slide to put one in the chamber and cock the hammer.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 1:16 pm to rebelrouser
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What i recall about this scene is the Sherriff un-holstering a Colt 1911 Gov't issue with the hammer down, which no one would ever do since the hammer is touching the primer. He then proceeds to cock the hammer back with his thumb, which is also dangerous. A war vet would know better. He would have the hammer in a locked position or would rack the slide to put one in the chamber and cock the hammer.
Touch grass
Posted on 5/13/22 at 1:33 pm to rebelrouser
quote:
He then proceeds to cock the hammer back with his thumb, which is also dangerous.
as the owner of a vintage Colt 1911 govt issue, you are full of shite. I've cocked the hammer on that gun numerous times. Never had an issue. Likewise, if he has one chambered- as he should- there is no reason to rack anything. As to the hammer resting on the primer, after 40 years if carrying the weapon- concealed, exposed, on trails, horseback, on quads, tractors, pirogues, and every other way imaginable- I've never had the first misfire. Dont know where you get your info from, but you are wrong based OME.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 1:43 pm to AlxTgr
Two different rooms.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 1:47 pm to tigerinthebueche
Posted on 5/13/22 at 2:05 pm to Pax Regis
quote:Yeah, I thought this was the agreed-upon most likely explanation from back in the day.
Two different rooms.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 2:06 pm to Pax Regis
quote:With the possibility of another since Moss also rented the one on the other side.
Two different rooms.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 2:09 pm to BRich
It's Schrödinger's Chigurh. He is both behind the door and not behind the door at the same time.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 3:17 pm to BRich
I think what we see is the Sheriff entering the room of the crime while Chigurh was next door listening/hiding. At the :34 second mark of the clip below, if you look at the other door it appears its lock may be blown off too.
They created the illusion that he was in the same room but he wasn't.
YouTube video from the time he pulls up to the hotel
They created the illusion that he was in the same room but he wasn't.
YouTube video from the time he pulls up to the hotel
Posted on 5/13/22 at 3:42 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Two different rooms.
Yeah, I thought this was the agreed-upon most likely explanation from back in the day.
This is what I have always thought.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 3:45 pm to SaintTiger80
quote:
I saw an analysis of this movie and Anton Chigurh's character literally represents death. He is like the undertaker or the grim reaper. Black curtain-like hair on either side of his pale face wearing all black clothes. He is relentless, effective, and non discriminatory when he takes a life. There's a certain amount of chance like when he flips a coin and doesn't kill the store keeper. He always seems to be just around the corner or directly behind the person being chased; slowly persistent and inevitable.
Yep. Another thing is the notion of "seeing him", which is mentioned or referenced through out the movie. Seeing him more or less = death. Some particular references:
After the killing in the skyscraper, the accountant asks, "Are you gonna kill me?" to which Chigurh replies, "That depends. Do you see me?"
When Chigurh creates a diversion by blowing up the car, he essentially becomes invisible to all around him, and takes what he needs from the pharmacy with no problem.
After his car accident near the end, he ineracts with two boys who help him and gave him a shirt; he gives them a $100 bill and says, "You didn't see me. I was already gone."
Finally, in Sheriff Ed Tom's conversation with the other lawman near the end, he references that he sometimes thinks Chigurh is a "ghost", something that can be there and can be seen or NOT seen seen.
I'm sure there are some others I'm missing, but those were the ones that came to mind.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 3:47 pm to Pax Regis
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Two different rooms.
Adjoining rooms makes sense, didn't think of that. One for Moss and his wife; one room for the cranky old mother-in-law.
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