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Paul Verhoeven thought Starship Troopers was "too subtle for the American consciousness"
Posted on 4/16/25 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 4/16/25 at 5:54 pm
LINK he’s probably right.
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“I remember us watching it for the first time, and all of us looked at each other,” star Denise Richards said during today’s Starship Troopers panel at C2E2. “We were all like, ‘We didn’t know this was a fricking comedy.'”
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Ironside cleared up any confusion about the movie’s tone. “Doogie Hauser sticks his hand up the bug’s arse, turns to everybody, and says, ‘It’s in pain. It’s frightened,’ and everybody cheers.”
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Posted on 4/16/25 at 6:01 pm to cgrand
The bugs were presented unambiguously as monsters who were slaughtering humans, including characters we were attached to, of course the audience wanted them dead
If he wanted the satire to be a little bit more perceptible he should have had stronger allusions to the idea that maybe the asteroid attack was a false flag.
If he wanted the satire to be a little bit more perceptible he should have had stronger allusions to the idea that maybe the asteroid attack was a false flag.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 6:07 pm to StansberryRules
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If he wanted the satire to be a little bit more perceptible he should have had stronger allusions to the idea that maybe the asteroid attack was a false flag.
It’s absurd that anybody would believe the bugs could send an asteroid across the galaxy with their plasma farts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 6:18 pm to Esquire
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It’s absurd that anybody would believe the bugs could send an asteroid across the galaxy with their plasma farts
I think it was a false flag operation in the movie, which would have worked with the anti-war satire. But the books version was a little different:
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The Terran Federation and Pseudo-Arachnids were already facing off for a long time in the outer worlds. Bugs, using information provided by the Skinnies, had located the location of Earth, the capital of the Terran Federation. That was how, a fleet of bugs with their ships, personally and directly, down, attacked and destroyed the city of Buenos Aires, turning it into a heap of rubble. So, after several battles, it was decided to invade Klendathu and begin the Bug War.
Fandom
Posted on 4/16/25 at 6:43 pm to cgrand
don’t make your anti-war movie where joining the army looks tight. Avenging your family getting nuked, Banging smokes and killing bugs, sign me up.
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 4/16/25 at 6:54 pm to rebelrouser
quote:the director didn’t even read the book before he decided how to write it. Book details/motivations are irrelevant
But the books version was a little different:
Posted on 4/16/25 at 6:56 pm to Dire Wolf
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don’t make your anti-war movie where joining the army looks tight. Avenging your family getting nuked, Banging smokes and killing bugs, sign me up.
Sounds like you're proving Verhoeven right
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:13 pm to Dire Wolf
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:18 pm to Jay Are
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Sounds like you're proving Verhoeven right
I knew the movie was a satire when I saw it again as a teenager, I didn’t really get it when my brother snuck me in at 9. It’s pretty on the nose
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Well, it’s fascism versus communism.’ Well, who’s who? he said, ‘We’re the bad guys. Humans aren’t always the good guys.'”
I’ll forgive anyone that choose fascism with nice tits over communist, bugs or Russian
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:19 pm to cgrand
I remember being excited for this movie then once I saw it I hated it. Haven't watched it again since.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:42 pm to OK Roughneck
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I remember being excited for this movie then once I saw it I hated it. Haven't watched it again since.
You are out of Rico's Roughnecks.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:43 pm to OK Roughneck
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I remember being excited for this movie then once I saw it I hated it.
The satire in ST is pretty on the nose, so I’m not sure what Verhoeven is talking about.
This movie was right up my alley in college when it came out. Skipped class with a buddy of mine to go watch it one day. And we liked it so much we skipped class the next day to watch it again.
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 8:04 am
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:46 pm to rebelrouser
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The Terran Federation and Pseudo-Arachnids were already facing off for a long time in the outer worlds. Bugs, using information provided by the Skinnies, had located the location of Earth, the capital of the Terran Federation. That was how, a fleet of bugs with their ships, personally and directly, down, attacked and destroyed the city of Buenos Aires, turning it into a heap of rubble. So, after several battles, it was decided to invade Klendathu and begin the Bug War.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:50 pm to Lakeboy7
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You are out of Rico's Roughnecks.
When I see a movie coming up that I want to watch I dont watch any trailers or commercials for it so when I finally saw it I was expecting something different.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:54 pm to OK Roughneck
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when I finally saw it I was expecting something different.
I get it.
When you have some down time give it another go.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 9:05 pm to StansberryRules
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If he wanted the satire to be a little bit more perceptible he should have had stronger allusions to the idea that maybe the asteroid attack was a false flag.
I was older when I first saw it and it was clear the Earthlings were meant to be some type of fascist. The whole you can’t vote unless you serve and all the military propaganda ads. Verhoeven slapped you across the face with it.
The problem is he made a damn fun movie with some very attractive women in it. It was super quotable and pretty goofy. His message got lost in the fun, no one cared about it, they just wanted to enjoy the action and booby slop he fed them.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 9:13 pm to Dam Guide
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. The whole you can’t vote unless you serve and all the military propaganda ads.
Well communists are heavy on military propaganda as well
And you cant vote at all
Posted on 4/16/25 at 9:26 pm to cgrand
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Doogie Hauser
Posted on 4/16/25 at 9:55 pm to cgrand
This is discussed all the time in length on X and never goes anywhere. PV is a moron who didn’t understand the material he was using. It’s basically “I liked the fascist aesthetic for humans so that makes them fascist I guess” for him. He’s a dufus.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:46 pm to Hester Carries
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PV is a moron who didn’t understand the material he was using. It’s basically “I liked the fascist aesthetic for humans so that makes them fascist I guess” for him. He’s a dufus.
Yeah the guy who spent most of his successful career creating incisive-yet-broadly-entertaining satires about the rise of fascism is totally a doofus because he didn't interpret Heinlein the exact same way as some bros on X.
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