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Something that bothers me about The Bear SPOILERS
Posted on 1/25/23 at 10:41 am
Posted on 1/25/23 at 10:41 am
Spoilers for those of you who haven’t watched The Bear on Hulu. For the record, love the show. One of my favorites: BUT
It really chaps my arse that Carmy apologizes to Sydney and Marcus. I get why he felt like he had to. Sydney, for the most part, is helpful and actually has experience cooking really good food. Marcus, while still a novice, shows talent. But they both fell apart on Carmy when he needed them the most in Episode 7. Sure, Carmy shouldn’t have lost it but at the same time, you can’t really blame him when Sydney was the one to push the to-go order thing on him and then left the machine on, completely fricking them and then fricking left in the middle of it! Not only that, she pushed her risotto dish onto Carm and gave it to a customer even when he told her it wasn’t ready.
On top of all that, when shite is hitting the fan, she loses it on Richie (who admittedly has never been nice to her) and completely crosses a line, going after him personally. She doesn’t call corner, and drops the cake then she stabs Richie and just completely falls apart even after Richie, who she already belittled, tried to step in and help her out. Marcus, I don’t have as much hate for because he’s a novice but clearly doesn’t know how to handle the stresses of a kitchen. He was so hyper focused on the fricking donuts he didn’t even realize the whole staff was up shite’s creek with all the orders. Then throws a little hissy fit because Carmen told him to get back to work.
It just surprised me that the show painted them as victims when they were clearly flustered and were fricking up or simply not doing their jobs (Marcus). And I get it. Sometimes, as a boss, you have to take some shite or apologize when you shouldn’t have to in order to keep your talent in house to keep the business successful but still, pretty inexcusable actions from both Marcus and Sydney
It really chaps my arse that Carmy apologizes to Sydney and Marcus. I get why he felt like he had to. Sydney, for the most part, is helpful and actually has experience cooking really good food. Marcus, while still a novice, shows talent. But they both fell apart on Carmy when he needed them the most in Episode 7. Sure, Carmy shouldn’t have lost it but at the same time, you can’t really blame him when Sydney was the one to push the to-go order thing on him and then left the machine on, completely fricking them and then fricking left in the middle of it! Not only that, she pushed her risotto dish onto Carm and gave it to a customer even when he told her it wasn’t ready.
On top of all that, when shite is hitting the fan, she loses it on Richie (who admittedly has never been nice to her) and completely crosses a line, going after him personally. She doesn’t call corner, and drops the cake then she stabs Richie and just completely falls apart even after Richie, who she already belittled, tried to step in and help her out. Marcus, I don’t have as much hate for because he’s a novice but clearly doesn’t know how to handle the stresses of a kitchen. He was so hyper focused on the fricking donuts he didn’t even realize the whole staff was up shite’s creek with all the orders. Then throws a little hissy fit because Carmen told him to get back to work.
It just surprised me that the show painted them as victims when they were clearly flustered and were fricking up or simply not doing their jobs (Marcus). And I get it. Sometimes, as a boss, you have to take some shite or apologize when you shouldn’t have to in order to keep your talent in house to keep the business successful but still, pretty inexcusable actions from both Marcus and Sydney
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Posted on 1/25/23 at 10:49 am to WicKed WayZ
What bothers me is that no one would have opened any of those small cans prior to the discovery.
Struggling restaurants don't typically let surplus ingredients just sit on the shelf forever.
Struggling restaurants don't typically let surplus ingredients just sit on the shelf forever.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:02 am to WicKed WayZ
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It just surprised me that the show painted them as victims when they were clearly flustered and were fricking up or simply not doing their jobs (Marcus). And I get it. Sometimes, as a boss, you have to take some shite or apologize when you shouldn’t have to in order to keep your talent in house to keep the business successful but still, pretty inexcusable actions from both Marcus and Sydney
Disagree completely. Apologizing for his reaction doesn’t excuse their behavior or mistakes. It wasn’t him saying that the mistakes were acceptable.
But a good boss knows mistakes will happen and shouldn’t completely unload like he did. They are both young and learning, and valuable employees to the business. He can’t treat them like garbage when they make a mistake as humans do. He put his ego aside here - these are mistakes that are “beneath” his level but he recognized they are on different planes and that’s okay. He recognizes his behavior did nothing to improve the situation. What is done is done. As a manager after a hiccup, the best course forward is “what can we do from this point forward to mitigate the damage here?”. I think he showed growth.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:06 am to WicKed WayZ
I really liked the show up until this point. I understand the overall point is to show Carmy's growth. However, as you pointed out, he's not in the wrong and if anyone is going to apologize it should've been Sydney and Marcus and then show some kind of growth between the three of them that extends through the rest of the kitchen.
Carmy gave Marcus a chance for him to grow as a person and improve as a pastry chef by letting him take on new challenges in a responsible manner, he did not own up to his side of the bargain.
Sydney is by far my least favorite character, gained some sort of plot armor almost immediately, then annoys the hell out of you for the rest of the season. I understand pushback in the kitchen from the established people before Carmy showed up but you then have a new girl come in and, to me, becomes more of a problem than anyone else.
I'll check out season 2 and I still understand what they were going for but that episode really left a sour taste for me. The very end with the cans, eh we'll let that slide by. I can see where having that amount of cash with everyone around can be troublesome, let's see how the writers handle the new situation.
Carmy gave Marcus a chance for him to grow as a person and improve as a pastry chef by letting him take on new challenges in a responsible manner, he did not own up to his side of the bargain.
Sydney is by far my least favorite character, gained some sort of plot armor almost immediately, then annoys the hell out of you for the rest of the season. I understand pushback in the kitchen from the established people before Carmy showed up but you then have a new girl come in and, to me, becomes more of a problem than anyone else.
I'll check out season 2 and I still understand what they were going for but that episode really left a sour taste for me. The very end with the cans, eh we'll let that slide by. I can see where having that amount of cash with everyone around can be troublesome, let's see how the writers handle the new situation.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:10 am to Tigerfan56
My problem wasn't as much with his apology but with their seeming inability to recognize their own fault in the situation and wait for him to apologize like he's the only one that did anything wrong.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:18 am to ProjectP2294
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My problem wasn't as much with his apology but with their seeming inability to recognize their own fault in the situation and wait for him to apologize like he's the only one that did anything wrong.
That bothered me with Marcus, as I thought he might be a little more level-headed. But it didn't with Sydney. I think it's an important part of her character. She had a hard time admitting her venture didn't work out as well. She didn't want to admit she was being shady giving the shortrib plate to the critic. She's stubborn as frick. So her not recognizing her wrong-doing tracks with her character development to this point IMO.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:18 am to WicKed WayZ
A leader leads. As bad as the situation was, he made it worse by losing his mind. Deal with the issue in the present, discipline after behind closed doors with a cool head.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:23 am to TheNameIsDalton
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I really liked the show up until this point. I understand the overall point is to show Carmy's growth. However, as you pointed out, he's not in the wrong and if anyone is going to apologize it should've been Sydney and Marcus and then show some kind of growth between the three of them that extends through the rest of the kitchen.
Carmy gave Marcus a chance for him to grow as a person and improve as a pastry chef by letting him take on new challenges in a responsible manner, he did not own up to his side of the bargain.
Sydney is by far my least favorite character, gained some sort of plot armor almost immediately, then annoys the hell out of you for the rest of the season. I understand pushback in the kitchen from the established people before Carmy showed up but you then have a new girl come in and, to me, becomes more of a problem than anyone else.
That's a lot like real life though. Not everyone has the self-awareness to be able to recognize their own mistakes. Especially someone younger like Sydney. Pride comes before the fall is a real deal.
I don't hate Sydney. But I also worked with teenagers for years and her youthful pride is very apparent. She thinks she knows everything. She found out real quick that she doesn't.
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I'll check out season 2 and I still understand what they were going for but that episode really left a sour taste for me. The very end with the cans, eh we'll let that slide by. I can see where having that amount of cash with everyone around can be troublesome, let's see how the writers handle the new situation.
It'll be interesting to see where he goes with the restaurant while trying to maintain some kind of local integrity that made the place popular to begin with. He wants to do his own thing and step out of his brother's shadow. But can he be successful? Food service is cutthroat as frick in most major cities, but somewhere like Chicago where you have to be really, really good to stay open it's a whole other ball of wax.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:26 am to BluegrassBelle
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That bothered me with Marcus, as I thought he might be a little more level-headed.
Yeah, I was disappointed with Marcus.
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But it didn't with Sydney. I think it's an important part of her character.
I don't disagree with it being part of her character, but it still bothered the shite out of me
. I guess it bothered me more as a person looking at her like a person rather than a consumer critiquing the art, if that makes sense.Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:30 am to ProjectP2294
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Yeah, I was disappointed with Marcus.
I think I screamed at the TV "Get the frick off the damn donuts dude" at one point.
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don't disagree with it being part of her character, but it still bothered the shite out of me . I guess it bothered me more as a person looking at her like a person rather than a consumer critiquing the art, if that makes sense.
That makes absolute sense. I think it's because we all saw flashes of potential if she'd just get out of her own way. Like the online ordering, could've absolutely worked if she allowed someone else to put a second set of eyes on it to make sure she didn't frick it up. Instead we got sheer chaos (and her stabbing Richie
). 
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:37 am to ProjectP2294
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their seeming inability to recognize their own fault in the situation and wait for him to apologize like he's the only one that did anything wrong.
Yeah I agree with that completely. It tracks with Sydney. Not as much Marcus. I liked Sydney up until 7&8 and her lack of situational awareness, complete lack of integrity and inability to see where she fricked up just rubbed me the wrong way.
I get that it’s part of her character but I can see how Carmen letting her come back and possibly giving her more control is going to lead to huge problems potentially in the kitchen
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:43 am to WicKed WayZ
YES CHEF.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:58 am to WicKed WayZ
I thought this was about the bear that did alotta coke.
I'm out.
I'm out.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:59 am to Displaced
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Struggling restaurants don't typically let surplus ingredients just sit on the shelf forever.
Carmy refused to make the spaghetti. An Italian beef sandwich shop isn’t going to have much use for canned tomatoes.
So I generally agree but in this case, it makes some sense. And that is a very shelf stable ingredient.
This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 1/25/23 at 12:01 pm to Bruco
More importantly, when is the next season dropping?
Posted on 1/25/23 at 12:33 pm to msap9020
Never heard of this, but just watched the trailer and thought it looked pretty good. I'm really only in here to say that the lead guy looks like a doppelganger for a young William Fichtner.
This post was edited on 1/26/23 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 1/25/23 at 12:41 pm to CocomoLSU
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I'm really on in here to say that the lead guy looks like a doppelganger for a young William Fichtner.
He was also the best character (except maybe Kevin) on Shameless.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:25 pm to CocomoLSU
You should def check it out. It’s chaotic but really good. I think you’d enjoy it
Posted on 1/25/23 at 2:49 pm to LSUBoo
quote:well this show is just Lip in a kitchen.... Sydney is Fiona, Richie is Ian, Marcus is Carl, Tina is Debbie.
I'm really on in here to say that the lead guy looks like a doppelganger for a young William Fichtner.
He was also the best character (except maybe Kevin) on Shameless.
This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:04 pm to WicKed WayZ
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You should def check it out. It’s chaotic but really good. I think you’d enjoy it
I think it was episode 7 that was one long tracking shot gave me fricking anxiety
that shite was intense. The fastest 22 minutes ever. Really liked the show and look forward to season 2. 
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