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What tipped off The Godfather that it was Barzini
Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:15 pm
all along? What am I missing? TIA
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Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:19 pm to SOLA
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all along? What am I missing? TIA
Was it the way he was conducting the meeting? I'm actually having trouble remembering.
I think we were supposed to assume that it was Don Corleone's wisdom and experience that helped him to that conclusion. Similar to the way he knew how the traitor would approach Michael. There may have been some things that stood out, but I don't think it was any one glaring red flag in particular. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about any of that.
This post was edited on 6/10/17 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:28 pm to SOLA
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"Tataglia's a pimp. He could never have outfought Santino".
quote:
Was it the way he was conducting the meeting?
Yes, I think that was the giveaway.
This post was edited on 6/10/17 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:34 pm to ohiovol
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we were supposed to assume that it was Don Corleone's wisdom and experience that helped him to that conclusion. Similar to the way he knew how the traitor would approach Michael.
This is about a perfect summation of my opinion.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:40 pm to alajones
Right. Some sort of way that Don Vito knew the people at the table and knew how to read people told him that it was Barzini.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:51 pm to PowerTool
plus he was Italian and those sneaky frickers are always up to something
Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:52 pm to Peazey
Thanks all, I thought it was something glaring and I was just missing it.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 8:01 pm to OWLFAN86
Their ethics are as oily as their hair.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 8:17 pm to PowerTool
The meeting to make the peace did in fact reveal that Barzini was the man with the plan behind the Tattalias.
He lead the negotiations between the families and decided who got what. The Don capitulated to ensure Micheal's safety.
He lead the negotiations between the families and decided who got what. The Don capitulated to ensure Micheal's safety.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 8:42 pm to SOLA
Spoiler, motherfricker.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 8:58 pm to ScottFowler
Brando clearly says in the car on the way home that he did not know until that meeting that is was Barzini behind all of it. That's what sparked the Tataglia being a pimp line.
I would assume, the Don clearly knew someone besides Tataglia was behind all of it because of his regard for him, but it was not Until The meeting that Barzini somewhat showed his hand.
The Don was supposed to be the most cunning of all of them.
I would assume, the Don clearly knew someone besides Tataglia was behind all of it because of his regard for him, but it was not Until The meeting that Barzini somewhat showed his hand.
The Don was supposed to be the most cunning of all of them.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:25 pm to Jack Ruby
quote:Barzini was the one who was most insistent when it came to Corleone accommodating the wish for police protection - and the quickest to declare that a deal had been struck at the slightest hint of capitulation by Corleone.
I would assume, the Don clearly knew someone besides Tataglia was behind all of it because of his regard for him, but it was not Until The meeting that Barzini somewhat showed his hand.
This meant that Barzini had the biggest stake in the flowering drug business and therefore the most to lose, especially if Corleone used his police as a way of keeping a drug family from becoming too powerful. Corleone sees at the meeting that most of the families are starting to become receptive to drugs, so he knows he has to give in. When he does, Barzini jumps on it and declares the deal sealed.
So no. He's not psychic. He just recognizes Barzini as the ringleader of all of the demands, IMO.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:44 pm to blueboy
When barzini lead the drug dealing negotiation at the table jeopardizing the corleone's power over the politicians, judges and cops the Don realized that drug money was more important than maintaining power to barzini
This also lead to the Don becoming wartime consigliere to michael and sending tom to Vegas. The don recognized the game was changing and michael needed vito's street smarts and experience more than Tom's business savvy
This also lead to the Don becoming wartime consigliere to michael and sending tom to Vegas. The don recognized the game was changing and michael needed vito's street smarts and experience more than Tom's business savvy
Posted on 6/11/17 at 12:21 am to supatigah
quote:Vito knew his political and police influence was going to erode and that the drug families were going to get more powerful as he became far less. The Corleone's days in New York were numbered, and there was nothing they could do about it.
The don recognized the game was changing and michael needed vito's street smarts and experience more than Tom's business savvy
Not only did Vito need to direct Michael's moves, he also needed Tom to get a lay of the landscape in the only place where drugs weren't going to be king - Vegas.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 1:44 am to PowerTool
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"Tataglia's a pimp. He could never have outhought Santino".
I always thought this was the quote, 'out thought' vs 'outfought?'
Then later when Michael references "you think that little farce you played with my sister would get past a Corleone?" Before he kills Carl confirmed it to me
Posted on 6/11/17 at 1:56 am to RocketPower13
It's "outfought."
Posted on 6/11/17 at 7:19 am to ohiovol
He chaired the meeting. No one made him chair but the others deferred to him.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 7:40 am to SOLA
Posted on 6/11/17 at 12:10 pm to SPEEDY
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This is a pretty good detailed explanation of how he knew
quote:No. Vito calls the meeting after Sonny is killed. "I'm going to call a meeting between the heads of the five families. This war must end."
At the start of the Five Families Meeting (FFM), Vito Corleone opens with “How did things ever get so far?” That’s Vito’s way of telling the Five Families that if they wanted his help they should have set up an FFM before this all started. Instead, Barzini calls the meeting and that’s the first tip off to Vito that Barzini is the strategist and Tattaglia is the hot-headed malleable front man.
quote:Pretty much exactly what I said.
At the meeting he wants to learn who the real mastermind behind all this is. He sees Barzini taking center-stage, comporting himself as a leader and he has his answer
Posted on 6/11/17 at 2:39 pm to blueboy
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It's "outfought."
I always thought it was "outfoxed", but you're right, it's "outfought". I still think "outfoxed" makes more sense. I mean, they knew Sonny's temper, they pushed his buttons, he reacted as they expected he would, and they massacred him. Outfoxed.
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