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Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:42 am to StansberryRules
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The reality is they are subsiding the very problem they are supposedly trying to eliminate.
Not only that, they are protecting those who run the black markets.
Drugs are more plentiful than ever
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:42 am to SallysHuman
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Why not let them pursue their happiness?
Because addiction is a disease that can get better with help. You can't get sober if you are dead though.
Diabetes is a disease as well with a heavy public financial burden. Are we going to go around giving D50 to everyone with type 2 diabetes?
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:44 am to Tr33fiddy
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Once word got out there was free fent they would arrive faster than they would be dying off.
Agreed. People who think this would work are living in fantasy land. It might work for the 100 or so well known local problem addicts, but not nearly as much fun when you have 5000 people living in campers on the side of the road. Yes, you would have ODs, but not enough to matter.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:51 am to Beessnax
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Because addiction is a disease that can get better with help.
How has that worked out for us since "the war on drugs" began?
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:57 am to stout
Wait, national media mocking a republican? No way. They would never.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:57 am to Beessnax
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Because addiction is a disease that can get better with help.
Wrong.
Unlike other diseases, "help" doesn't make it better unless the addict is willing.
Diabetes? Who's handing out free monitoring and insulin to all who suffer? Much less medication for them without prescription?
What about EpiPens? Lifesaving, like narcan, ACUTELY lifesaving, where are they to be found freely and without prescription?
Addicts, especially the unwilling to change get so much more grace, help and treatment than any other "disease".
Posted on 4/21/25 at 11:00 am to NOLALGD
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Yes, you would have ODs, but not enough to matter.
They'd all eventually OD... or get help.
The very few that can "manage" would be self contained to the zone in which they can freely chase their dragon. Win/win/win.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 11:09 am to stout
He's not wrong.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 11:17 am to stout
I'm all for it.
If i ever see an addict doing the funky chicken, I'm sure as frick not administering narcan.
I would administer CPR to a stranger having a medical emergency, but a junkie is on his own.
If i ever see an addict doing the funky chicken, I'm sure as frick not administering narcan.
I would administer CPR to a stranger having a medical emergency, but a junkie is on his own.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 11:21 am to SpotCheckBilly
a modest proposal.
—I get the reference. Well done.
—I get the reference. Well done.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 11:22 am to Beessnax
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group are they a part of that would warrant the genocide label?
Addicts.
That’s not genocidal.
What specific national, ethnic, racial, or religious group are they? Addicts cross all of these.
If you somehow include addicts in the above then treatment and therapy to eliminate addiction would also be actions of genocide.
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Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction Article II(c)
Posted on 4/21/25 at 11:48 am to SallysHuman
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Unlike other diseases, "help" doesn't make it better unless the addict is willing.
Correct however people can go from unwilling to willing in the blink of an eye. I have personally seen that happen many times. Many go on to live very happy and productive lives once they are sober. But you can't get sober if you are dead from an OD however.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 11:55 am to dallastigers
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If you somehow include addicts in the above then treatment and therapy to eliminate addiction would also be actions of genocide.
Interesting point... what say you, Beeswax?
Posted on 4/21/25 at 11:58 am to Beessnax
Beessnax, you failed to address my points about diabetes and allergies. Do you have anything to say to those?
Why are addicts to have easier access to lifesaving measures than diabetics or those whose very survival can depend on an epipen?
Why are addicts to have easier access to lifesaving measures than diabetics or those whose very survival can depend on an epipen?
Posted on 4/21/25 at 12:19 pm to stout
Natural selection
Posted on 4/21/25 at 12:26 pm to SallysHuman
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ey'd all eventually OD... or get help.
The very few that can "manage" would be self contained to the zone in which they can freely chase their dragon. Win/win/win.
The other thing everyone has to consider is even if you got everyone better, what percentage do you think are fit to work a normal job after living a life like this for a decade?
Even if everyone wanted to get better and did they are just over the first hurdle. I was fortunate in that I already went to school, etc and dealt with it in my 30s, which was still beyond stupid.
I thought I was on top of the world after making 90 days, 1 year. etc. Work has been tougher for me post alcohol.
You wont read that in any book.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 12:28 pm to Beessnax
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Because addiction is a disease that can get better with help. You can't get sober if you are dead though.
Diabetes is a disease as well with a heavy public financial burden. Are we going to go around giving D50 to everyone with type 2 diabetes?
The % of people who can stay clean for a year is like 8%
The % of people who can life it, isnt much better than 1-2%
The odds are stacked heavily against you once you have reached the point of physical addiction. I really mean this when I say this as a hard headed motherfricker myself. You dont want to try to be tough when it comes to the addictive substances, you will lose.
This post was edited on 4/21/25 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 4/21/25 at 12:41 pm to jizzle6609
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The other thing everyone has to consider is even if you got everyone better, what percentage do you think are fit to work a normal job after living a life like this for a decade?
I never really thought about the 'after' of getting clean... it sounds hard!
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