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re: I was a member of the jury on the Garrett Ward trial. AMA.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:14 am to Reluctantjuror
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:14 am to Reluctantjuror
well yes he obviously died from the head trauma, but how do they know he was kicked in the head?
Is there a difference in the trauma from a kick or stomp or a punch?
My point is the main reason it seems he was convicted of the manslaughter is b/c of the kick at the end that was unnecessary, but was there any proof of the actual kick other than eye witness? Could he have not simply died from being punched in the head several times?
What's the difference if you punch a guy once and he falls and then you immediately punch him 2 more times on the ground or you kick him 2 times on the ground immediately after he falls? Not condoning anything, but that's kind of something that is expected in any fight. Are you going to deem the kicks unnecessary but the punches are somewhat excusable?
Is there a difference in the trauma from a kick or stomp or a punch?
My point is the main reason it seems he was convicted of the manslaughter is b/c of the kick at the end that was unnecessary, but was there any proof of the actual kick other than eye witness? Could he have not simply died from being punched in the head several times?
What's the difference if you punch a guy once and he falls and then you immediately punch him 2 more times on the ground or you kick him 2 times on the ground immediately after he falls? Not condoning anything, but that's kind of something that is expected in any fight. Are you going to deem the kicks unnecessary but the punches are somewhat excusable?
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Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:19 am to TeddyPadillac
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What's the difference if you punch a guy once and he falls and then you immediately punch him 2 more times on the ground or you kick him 2 times on the ground immediately after he falls?
Would you rather be punched twice in the head or kicked twice in the head? I'm thinking a fist and a shoe/boot would leave different types/sizes of bruises for the medical examiners to determine that
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:24 am to jchamil
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Would you rather be punched twice in the head or kicked twice in the head? I'm thinking a fist and a shoe/boot would leave different types/sizes of bruises for the medical examiners to determine that
depends who's doing the kicking and punching.
I'd rather Mike Tyson kick me than punch me. There are plenty people that are killed from excessive punches to the head. granted that's not happening from a weak guy, but an average athletic guy who weighs 200+ punching you in the head can be very lethal.
the point is do you deem the kicks excessive immediately after the fall, the same way you'd deem punches excessive immediately after the fall?
I think we as a society view the kicks as going to far, but you can just as easily strike the killing blows with your fist when the guy is on the ground.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:27 am to Reluctantjuror
Damn I hope I’m never wearing nice clothes if I ever have to defend myself in NOLA. I’ll immediately be called entitled. And also it’s possible to not be racist and still not have a bunch of photos with black people.
This guy certainly did not have a jury of peers.
This guy certainly did not have a jury of peers.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:27 am to TeddyPadillac
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depends who's doing the kicking and punching.
I'd rather Mike Tyson kick me than punch me.
Fair enough. I think I'd rather Tyson kick me too Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:28 am to Obtuse1
Sorry, I know...TLDR
Is it possible to revisit if he wasn't judged by a "jury of his peers" in this racial environment? If the OP is truthful, it seems odd to have 10 black, 1 Asian, 1 white. The D.A. was clearly prosecuting this as a hate crime. If this had been a black man attacking another, I doubt the police would have even showed up. That's the sad state of affairs in Nola.
And the man charged with owing nearly $300,000 in taxes wants to use racism as his own defense.
I'm not saying Ward isn't complete scum for beating this man they way he did, but I also know "motivated" witnesses (including doctors) lie their butts off. This is a fact. For a man to jump out of a drunken stupor to attack another man unprovoked (who was taking a stroll at 1:30 AM) is not just odd, it rarely happens outside of some diagnosed mental disorder or consuming psychedelic drugs.
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Successful appeals are almost always a result of the appeals court finding the trial judge erred vs the jury erred.
Is it possible to revisit if he wasn't judged by a "jury of his peers" in this racial environment? If the OP is truthful, it seems odd to have 10 black, 1 Asian, 1 white. The D.A. was clearly prosecuting this as a hate crime. If this had been a black man attacking another, I doubt the police would have even showed up. That's the sad state of affairs in Nola.
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As District Attorney, I am committed to increasing safety and justice. In this case, the lack of humanity and respect shown by the defendant in this incident as he viciously attacked this 60-year-old black man was irreprehensible. When I met with Mr. Jackson’s family last year, I promised his loved ones that I would see this case to the end with them. This conviction is proof that we did just that
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Under oath in court, witnesses testified to the use of several racial slurs by Ward to Jackson.
And the man charged with owing nearly $300,000 in taxes wants to use racism as his own defense.
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Months ago, Williams' team was seeking to have the charges against him dismissed by claiming prosecutors charged him because he was running for Orleans Parish District Attorney and because he is black. Those allegations were dismissed by the court and now Judge Lance Africk said they cannot be brought up again. Williams and his codefendant Nicole Burdette are scheduled to go on trial on July 18. Recommended
I'm not saying Ward isn't complete scum for beating this man they way he did, but I also know "motivated" witnesses (including doctors) lie their butts off. This is a fact. For a man to jump out of a drunken stupor to attack another man unprovoked (who was taking a stroll at 1:30 AM) is not just odd, it rarely happens outside of some diagnosed mental disorder or consuming psychedelic drugs.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:29 am to Eighteen
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Sure, but OP hasn’t really explained any evidence and said it was 10-2 2nd degree murder with the jury, and using phrases like “entitled” and “wasn’t used to urban environments” is yikes
There’s a reason it has to be unanimous. He wasn’t convicted of 2nd degree murder.
Also, in response to the knife thing:
One big question, to me, is whether Ward mentioned the knife at all to the investigators prior to receiving any police reports, discovery materials, etc. that mentioned its existence.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:34 am to HouseMom
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Is it possible to revisit if he wasn't judged by a "jury of his peers" in this racial environment? If the OP is truthful, it seems odd to have 10 black, 1 Asian, 1 white. The D.A. was clearly prosecuting this as a hate crime. If this had been a black man attacking another, I doubt the police would have even showed up. That's the sad state of affairs in Nola.
Well then the DA could have actually charged him with and prosecuted it as a hate crime, which he didn't. And the jury resembled the demographics of the city of New Orleans. I've never heard of a reverse Batson challenge because there weren't enough white people but go for it. A jury of your peers doesn't mean bussing in the Kappa Sigma chapter at LSU, sorry.
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 10:37 am
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:36 am to Box Geauxrilla
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Damn I hope I’m never wearing nice clothes if I ever have to defend myself in NOLA. I’ll immediately be called entitled. And also it’s possible to not be racist and still not have a bunch of photos with black people.
This guy certainly did not have a jury of peers.
What racial make-up would have been a jury of his peers?
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:40 am to SoonerK
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What racial make-up would have been a jury of his peers?
a guaranteed right of criminal defendants, in which "peer" means an "equal." This has been interpreted by courts to mean that the available jurors include a broad spectrum of the population, particularly of race, national origin and gender. Jury selection may include no process which excludes those of a particular race or intentionally narrows the spectrum of possible jurors. It does not mean that women are to be tried by women, Asians by Asians, or African Americans by African Americans.
I’d imagine probably more than one white person would have been better. It’s a good thing that one person had strong will and was not swayed by the other jurors or this guy would be convicted of 2nd degree murder right now.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:40 am to REG861
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And the jury resembled the demographics of the city of New Orleans
New Orleans isn't 8.3% white.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:43 am to HouseMom
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HouseMom
Take a lap granny
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:43 am to Reluctantjuror
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At any rate, she said he was a nice guy but drank too much and slapped her at the bar then left.
you know that some dude she dates is going to bring up their crazy ex and she will one-up them with "well...my ex slapped me then stormed out to beat a homeless man to death"
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:50 am to Box Geauxrilla
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Damn I hope I’m never wearing nice clothes if I ever have to defend myself in NOLA. I’ll immediately be called entitled. And also it’s possible to not be racist and still not have a bunch of photos with black people.
This guy certainly did not have a jury of peers.
I think if your girlfriend testifies you have a drinking and anger problem, then says Ward hit her earlier in the night, then Ward proceeds to pass out in the bushed next to a hotel and beat a frail homeless person to death doest bode well for his self defense story
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:52 am to Reluctantjuror
What happened before ward went downstairs and passed out? I cannot imagine he did this all for no reason. Why did he slap the girlfriend? What was the thing that put him in this rage that led to a woman being slapped and a man being beat to death? Even for someone with bad anger issues, there is normally a trigger for it all.
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 11:07 am
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:53 am to hubertcumberdale
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I think if your girlfriend testifies you have a drinking and anger problem, then says Ward hit her earlier in the night, then Ward proceeds to pass out in the bushed next to a hotel and beat a frail homeless person to death doest bode well for his self defense story
I definitely agree with you. I was just speaking to a jury saying he was “entitled” because he was wearing Perlis and “didn’t seem familiar with urban environments”. Also mentioned that he asked the cop to let him go. I’ve watched enough LivePD to know that almost every criminal asks a cop to let them go (including ones that you would not call ‘entitled’)
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:56 am to Reluctantjuror
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They at the end did the whole “I’m not racist I have black friends” defense by showing us pictures with him and people of color.
So let me get this straight, the defense thought it would be a good idea to show a jury consisting of 9 black jurors pictures of Ward surrounded by black people? You’re serious?
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:56 am to Reluctantjuror
This thread has really made me lose faith in our justice system. It seems like neither side had any solid evidence and Ward's lawyers must be completely incompetent. I'm sure he will win an appeal which honestly is shitty as well because he sounds like an a-hole. But regardless you don't lock someone up for 30 years for being an a-hole. It seems like youre most convinced by what he said during his interview while being blackout. He probably doesn't even remember the events and there's nothing wrong with not talking to police so you can only place so much value on that. And you certainly shouldn't be factoring how much time you think he spends in "urban environments." What a horrible jury, horrible lawyers, and just a bad reflection on our justice system as a whole
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 10:58 am
Posted on 6/28/22 at 10:59 am to Misnomer
60 yr old? I turned 60 last month. I think I could take that clown. Looks like a big sissy.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:02 am to Yeti_Chaser
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This thread has really made me lose faith in our justice system. It seems like neither side had any solid evidence and Ward's lawyers must be completely incompetent. I'm sure he will win an appeal which honestly is shitty as well because he sounds like an a-hole. But regardless you don't lock someone up for 30 years for being an a-hole. It seems like youre most convinced by what he said during his interview while being blackout. He probably doesn't even remember the events and there's nothing wrong with not talking to police so you can only place so much value on that. And you certainly shouldn't be factoring how much time you think he spends in "urban environments." What a horrible jury, horrible lawyers, and just a bad reflection on our justice system as a whole
This post has really made me lose faith in the intelligence of the average American.
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