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Posted on 6/5/26 at 10:51 pm to Penrod
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Note: Midway not even mentioned. Midway wasn’t even the biggest naval battle between Japan and the US in WW2, although it might have been the most consequential of that war.
I would submit that Guadalcanal was more consequential. We lose Guadalcanal and the war is a lot longer and more costly, Midway notwithstanding.
Posted on 6/5/26 at 10:59 pm to Penrod
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No, man. Japan did not have the resources for that. Japan would have lost WW2 regardless of the Battle of Midway.
The history books would tell stories of the Rape of Honolulu instead of Nanking. I don't think the US had the stomach for that. We may have sued for peace if we lose at Midway. Guess we'll never know.
Posted on 6/5/26 at 11:59 pm to Jim Rockford
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I would submit that Guadalcanal was more consequential. We lose Guadalcanal and the war is a lot longer and more costly, Midway notwithstanding.
There is no Guadalcanal without the US winning decisively at Midway as it was our first major offensive battle of the Pacific and only two months after Midway. Even if Japan only loses 2 instead of 4 carriers, that invasion doesn't take place, as even reaching the Solomons would've been a suicide mission.
I don't think there is any doubt we don't eventually win the war in the Pacific, but it would've been at least a year if not years of the Japs assraping the entire Pacific if we don't win at Midway.
The amount of American lives saved by victory in the Battle of Midway and the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki can not be underestimated.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 12:16 am to Volt
This is awesome.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 1:13 am to Volt
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I’m the medical provider when I’m here
I remember now….you have posted about being a medical provider on a few other remote islands, too. You have a damn interesting life!
Posted on 6/6/26 at 6:35 am to reggierayreb
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I don't think the US had the stomach for that. We may have sued for peace if we lose at Midway. Guess we'll never know.
Today’s Americans? Maybe so. Probably. In the 1940s? They would have ended by dropping atom bombs on Tokyo too.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 7:35 am to Penrod
Midway had several “strange” occurrences that shaped the battle.
Japan planes were monitoring our carriers at Pearl. They switched to subs, but there was a gap in the monitoring. During that time the carriers left unnoticed. Based on the belief that they “ knew” where our carriers were, they reduced the reconnaissance flights.
The fact that we had broken their code allowed for us to position our carriers to meet the attack of Midway Island.
The reconnaissance flights that were sent out, had one plane that was delayed 30 minutes for a mechanical problem. It was this plane that spotted our carriers. The delay set up the fact that the Japanese bombers and fighters sent to attack Midway Island were being recovered and rearmed for a second wave of attacks. Our planes were attacking with their decks loaded with explosives and fuel lines.
IMHO God’s hand.
Japan planes were monitoring our carriers at Pearl. They switched to subs, but there was a gap in the monitoring. During that time the carriers left unnoticed. Based on the belief that they “ knew” where our carriers were, they reduced the reconnaissance flights.
The fact that we had broken their code allowed for us to position our carriers to meet the attack of Midway Island.
The reconnaissance flights that were sent out, had one plane that was delayed 30 minutes for a mechanical problem. It was this plane that spotted our carriers. The delay set up the fact that the Japanese bombers and fighters sent to attack Midway Island were being recovered and rearmed for a second wave of attacks. Our planes were attacking with their decks loaded with explosives and fuel lines.
IMHO God’s hand.
This post was edited on 6/6/26 at 7:47 am
Posted on 6/6/26 at 9:03 am to reggierayreb
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We may have sued for peace if we lose at Midway. Guess we'll never know.
Sued for peace? I don’t think you have any clue how pissed off this country and its armed forces - especially the navy - were after December 7th.
Sued for peace? Not in a million years!
(As an aside, my mother was a WAV nurse at Pearl on December 7th, 1941.)
Posted on 6/6/26 at 9:50 am to Volt
Nice work, please post more pics if you can. And a big F' You to the communists who downvoted you.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 10:09 am to Good Times
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Japan planes were monitoring our carriers at Pearl. They switched to subs, but there was a gap in the monitoring. During that time the carriers left unnoticed. Based on the belief that they “ knew” where our carriers were, they reduced the reconnaissance flights.
The fact that we had broken their code allowed for us to position our carriers to meet the attack of Midway Island.
I wonder if our breaking of their code led to knowledge of the switch in monitoring methods, or whether that was just luck?
Also, the bombs located haphazardly on the Japanese carrier happened because the Japanese kept switching between torpedoes and bombs as their plans kept shifting between attacking our ships or the island itself. The crews eventually got tired of storing the munitions.
There was a lot of luck in that battle as there is in most battles, but there was a lot of planning (breaking the code) and initiative too. As someone posted earlier, turning the Yorktown around in three days, after the tremendous damage it took in the Coral Sea, was key.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 12:19 pm to Penrod
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Japan planes were monitoring our carriers at Pearl. They switched to subs, but there was a gap in the monitoring. During that time the carriers left unnoticed. Based on the belief that they “ knew” where our carriers were, they reduced the reconnaissance flights.
The fact that we had broken their code allowed for us to position our carriers to meet the attack of Midway Island.
I wonder if our breaking of their code led to knowledge of the switch in monitoring methods, or whether that was just luck?
The documentary that I watched, said the scarcity of fuel for the long distance flights was the reason for the change. The gap in surveillance was basically the timing was not as precise as it needed to be. But, it was a small window of time, which fits the unusual sequences that fell in place by chance, or other unknown reasons.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 12:28 pm to MidCityTiger
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Sued for peace? I don’t think you have any clue how pissed off this country and its armed forces - especially the navy - were after December 7th.
I think that you are correct. Japan misread the American people. They were counting on making the war so painful in the first 6 months to a year, that we would want to tap out. There were no Jane Fonda types. There were Rosie the Riveters.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 12:35 pm to Penrod
Japan did not have the fuel or the supply lines to bring the war any further than Midway. Even if they had destroyed our carriers there, they probably wouldn't have been able to resupply the island, and even at that time of the war, couldn't replace lost air crews. They would have certainly lost many of their air crews even it they occupied Midway.
The Navy that destroyed Japan was appropriated by Congress in 1940, before the US was at war with Japan. They couldn't stop it and they knew it. Midway was a last ditch effort to make the US negotiate peace after a decisive victory. It wouldn't have happened.
What would have changed is the War in Europe. The US would have stopped supplying Europe and sent more resources to the Pacific.
The Navy that destroyed Japan was appropriated by Congress in 1940, before the US was at war with Japan. They couldn't stop it and they knew it. Midway was a last ditch effort to make the US negotiate peace after a decisive victory. It wouldn't have happened.
What would have changed is the War in Europe. The US would have stopped supplying Europe and sent more resources to the Pacific.
This post was edited on 6/6/26 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 6/6/26 at 1:01 pm to Volt
I'll say I'm fascinated by your career and job placement. I could probably sit for hours over beer and listen to how this opportunity came to be, the experience and where else you're likely going in between Midway. Kudos, Dr.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 1:37 pm to Volt
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the beach, snorkeling.
How’s the fishing out there?
Posted on 6/6/26 at 1:43 pm to Volt
Dude... Could you pick me up some sand?? Please... I am serious... Doesn;t have to be much.. Just enough for a small bottle on a shelf..
I will provide a mailing address and pay for shipping.
Thank You
I will provide a mailing address and pay for shipping.
Thank You
This post was edited on 6/6/26 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 6/6/26 at 2:00 pm to WWII Collector
I’m guessing you have a collection of pacific islands. I’m curious, what do you have? Boy, I’d love to have a vial of Iwo Jima black ash sand
Today the IJN Mikuma was hit several times
Today the IJN Mikuma was hit several times
Posted on 6/6/26 at 2:09 pm to Volt
If they have pickleball, I'm good 
Posted on 6/6/26 at 2:34 pm to reggierayreb
quote:Zero chance of us suing for peace at that point even if we’d have had the inverse damage that we inflicted on Japan during the Battle of Midway.
We may have sued for peace if we lose at Midway. Guess we'll never know.
Possibly it would have changed the allocation of resources between the European theater and the Pacific by the US; and that definitely would have prolonged the war as the Invasions of mainland Italy and D-Day would probably have been pushed back.
So the War would have lasted longer.
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