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re: So you want to be a Carrier Pilot

Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:42 pm to
Posted by OU Guy
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:42 pm to
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Great pics, but I saw a Tomcat get a kill... devil 101.. and a corsarII send some zunis


When I was in A-7s we used to do gun practice at sea with ship towing a target. Saw lots of cool stuff. But the F-14 was a great one, even though it took a lot of maint. The capabilities were so good.
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
22283 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 11:01 pm to
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The quietest time onboard carriers was the morning FOD walk down early in morning before the first jet fired up. Inside the ship there were always noises too. Always.

My rack was right near an ordinance elevator on deployment after 9/11.
Posted by OU Guy
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 11:58 pm to
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My rack was right near an ordinance elevator on deployment after 9/11.


Mine was next to the arresting gear cable room on O3 level. So had jets landing right above me and then gear winding out during landings.
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
117732 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 6:00 am to
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That is the Approach Controller (most commonly during instrument recoveries) or occasionally the LSO speaking.

Typically Approach drops you off 3/4 mile behind the boat with the call "Dragon 302, 3/4 mile, call the ball". This is your signal to quit flying instruments and look outside to see if you can pick up the OLS. Hopefully you are on centerline and the yellow "meatball" is centered up vertically in line with the horizonal green datums, indicating you are on the proper glidepath. (During the day most recoveries are done with minimum comms or sometimes even "zip lip". You check in with approach as you approach the ship, and then you don't talk at all while you hang out overhead at your squadron's pre-assigned altitude within 10nm of the boat and watch while they are launching all the planes from the next cycle. In my airwing I think the F-14s were at 3K and 4K, Hornets at 5K and 6K, A-6s at 7K, S-3s at 8K, etc. The first Tomcat should hit the break as the last plane is going down the catapult, and you move down a thousand feet once the layer below you clears out. The goal is to have an A/C touching down every 45 seconds. You only key the radio once you come around the corner and line yourself up. Then you make your ball call.)

If you in fact see the ball, you respond with your A/C nose number, type of A/C and current fuel state. i.e. "302, Hornet ball, 5.0" The LSOs and the ATC guys up in the tower as well as the Air Boss and his folks in Pri Fly want to know who/what airplane is landing, how much it weighs for the arresting gear and how much gas you have in case you bolter and go around. If you don't see the ball, due to extreme low visibility or being AFU, you say "Clara". Now it's up to the LSO to tell you where you are and give you directions on how to fix it. They will say something along the lines of "You're low lined up left. Little power, right for line-up" Generally followed immediately (at least in my case most of the time!)with "Easy with it, you're overpowered, come left!"

If you get back in the neighborhood of CL/GP/On speed and you see the ball, you call "Hornet ball" and continue to land.

And yes, you do go to 100% military thrust (or maybe even a little afterburner depending on how scary it is) each time you touch down in case you miss the wire "bolter" and have to go around. You will get yelled at by the Air Boss if you don't. And if you make a habit of it you won't be a carrier aviator for very long.



Will you be my dad?
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54792 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 6:07 am to
In my youth a bunch of crack pilots (names redacted) met at an airstrip (name redacted) in the US. Air Force vs Navy.

They "chalked" a stripe on the runway about the size of a flat top carrier

Lets just say Air Force got their butts kicked that day and they did not count a flattop moving up and down while actually trying to land.

It was not a surprise how many Navy pilots were in the early US Space program

Go NAVY!
Beat Army.

Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54792 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 6:10 am to
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I can't...I'm black.


WTF?

Navy is all about ability and size.

If you are over 6 foot, that is probably why you did not make the cut.

5' 8" to 5' 10" seemed to be the "sweet spot" in my youth. Can't see all that modern tech taking up less space now.
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
22283 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 6:33 am to
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Mine was next to the arresting gear cable room on O3 level. So had jets landing right above me and then gear winding out during landings.

Yeah, that was me on every other cruise. I was used to that. The ordinance elevator was more irritating.
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
6578 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 8:34 am to
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The ordinance elevator was more irritating.


You have no idea. I spent time in G4 on Enterprise.
Posted by sec13rowBBseat28
St George, LA
Member since Aug 2006
15394 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 8:51 am to
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That is the Approach Controller (most commonly during instrument recoveries) or occasionally the LSO speaking.

Typically Approach drops you off 3/4 mile behind the boat with the call "Dragon 302, 3/4 mile, call the ball". This is your signal to quit flying instruments and look outside to see if you can pick up the OLS. Hopefully you are on centerline and the yellow "meatball" is centered up vertically in line with the horizonal green datums, indicating you are on the proper glidepath. (During the day most recoveries are done with minimum comms or sometimes even "zip lip". You check in with approach as you approach the ship, and then you don't talk at all while you hang out overhead at your squadron's pre-assigned altitude within 10nm of the boat and watch while they are launching all the planes from the next cycle. In my airwing I think the F-14s were at 3K and 4K, Hornets at 5K and 6K, A-6s at 7K, S-3s at 8K, etc. The first Tomcat should hit the break as the last plane is going down the catapult, and you move down a thousand feet once the layer below you clears out. The goal is to have an A/C touching down every 45 seconds. You only key the radio once you come around the corner and line yourself up. Then you make your ball call.)

If you in fact see the ball, you respond with your A/C nose number, type of A/C and current fuel state. i.e. "302, Hornet ball, 5.0" The LSOs and the ATC guys up in the tower as well as the Air Boss and his folks in Pri Fly want to know who/what airplane is landing, how much it weighs for the arresting gear and how much gas you have in case you bolter and go around.

If you don't see the ball, due to extreme low visibility or being AFU, you say "Clara". Now it's up to the LSO to tell you where you are and give you directions on how to fix it. They will say something along the lines of "You're low lined up left. Little power, right for line-up" Generally followed immediately (at least in my case most of the time!)with "Easy with it, you're overpowered, come left!" If you get back in the neighborhood of CL/GP/On speed and you see the ball, you call "Hornet ball" and continue to land.

And yes, you do go to 100% military thrust (or maybe even a little afterburner depending on how scary it is) each time you touch down in case you miss the wire "bolter" and have to go around. You will get yelled at by the Air Boss if you don't. And if you make a habit of it you won't be a carrier aviator for very long.



Absolutely fascinating! I can never turn the channel when there’s something on about an aircraft carrier.
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
117732 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 12:00 pm to
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Absolutely fascinating! I



After almost two decades of comments on this site from just about every walk of life, did it restore your faith in humanity, if only just briefly, to read that response from flyingTexasTiger?


Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 12:33 pm to
Reminds me of flight to Boston. We had a really rough landing. The flight attendant keyed up and said "Welcome to Boston. Appologies for the landing, Capt. (Whatever) is a recently retired naval aviator."
Posted by hottub
Member since Dec 2012
3363 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 12:52 pm to
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Lets just say Air Force got their butts kicked that day and they did not count a flattop moving up and down while actually trying to land.



To be fair to our AF brethren, AF jets are made to land on a carrier.
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