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There needs to be something done about public education in this country
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:01 am
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:01 am
Let me start by saying I’m not blaming anyone but policy. As good as it may feel to point fingers, it does nothing.
The amount of shite I see and hear from teachers about day to day in the classroom, both online and in real life, astounds me.
I’m not in public education, so I don’t know what it boils down to specifically, but I’ve heard one more than one occasion that the system the way it’s set up now has absolutely zero repercussions for students, and the priority of educating kids is the lowest rung on the ladder. You can’t fail kids. You can’t do anything that makes any lick of sense. Teachers are not allowed to make judgement calls when it comes to the best course of action for a kid because the parents might lose their shite.
I don’t care about whose fault it is, everyone has an opinion on the blame. It’s the admin, it’s the parents, it’s the teachers. The reality is that if something isn’t done in terms of complete policy overhaul, we are staring at a real problem in a few decades.
These kids are going to be adults in 5, 10, 20 years. Forget real life contributions, my hope is that the majority of these kids aren’t outright destroying the country.
Maybe teachers said the same about me. Maybe I’m getting old and this is what happens. It just looks really bleak out there and I can’t see this country not undergoing some massive rural/urban split before I’m dead.
I can feel the change I’ve adopted from having hope that society remains intact to feeling that there is a 50/50 shot that there is a collapse. I’m not full on paranoid yet, but I feel like I’m getting there anytime I read anything about public education.
What is to be done? Not whose fault is it. does it start with policy? Fines? Penalties?
Anyone in k-12 public ed wanna weigh in?
The amount of shite I see and hear from teachers about day to day in the classroom, both online and in real life, astounds me.
I’m not in public education, so I don’t know what it boils down to specifically, but I’ve heard one more than one occasion that the system the way it’s set up now has absolutely zero repercussions for students, and the priority of educating kids is the lowest rung on the ladder. You can’t fail kids. You can’t do anything that makes any lick of sense. Teachers are not allowed to make judgement calls when it comes to the best course of action for a kid because the parents might lose their shite.
I don’t care about whose fault it is, everyone has an opinion on the blame. It’s the admin, it’s the parents, it’s the teachers. The reality is that if something isn’t done in terms of complete policy overhaul, we are staring at a real problem in a few decades.
These kids are going to be adults in 5, 10, 20 years. Forget real life contributions, my hope is that the majority of these kids aren’t outright destroying the country.
Maybe teachers said the same about me. Maybe I’m getting old and this is what happens. It just looks really bleak out there and I can’t see this country not undergoing some massive rural/urban split before I’m dead.
I can feel the change I’ve adopted from having hope that society remains intact to feeling that there is a 50/50 shot that there is a collapse. I’m not full on paranoid yet, but I feel like I’m getting there anytime I read anything about public education.
What is to be done? Not whose fault is it. does it start with policy? Fines? Penalties?
Anyone in k-12 public ed wanna weigh in?
This post was edited on 5/12/23 at 10:02 am
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Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:03 am to Odysseus32
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This post was edited on 5/29/23 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:04 am to Odysseus32
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There needs to be something done about public education in this country
So get on it.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:05 am to Odysseus32
quote:I was just talking to a teacher about this; she seems to think the problem is that parents are failing to punish their kids when they get in trouble in school. So the teachers write them up, and then the kids go home and their parents do nothing to teach them a lesson; or even more, they will go to bat for their kid against the teacher, thus undermining the teacher’s authority in the eyes of their children. I think there’s something to be said for the big problem of people shoving parenting responsibilities off to schools and at the same time questioning their methods. Most character-building needs to happen in the home.
I’m not in public education, so I don’t know what it boils down to specifically, but I’ve heard one more than one occasion that the system the way it’s set up now has absolutely zero repercussions for students,
This post was edited on 5/12/23 at 10:06 am
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:06 am to CaptainsWafer
Starting a convo. Getting input.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:06 am to Odysseus32
My daughter has a degree in education.
Taught at a public school for four years and GTFO of teaching altogether.
Now works for an insurance company.
Taught at a public school for four years and GTFO of teaching altogether.
Now works for an insurance company.
This post was edited on 5/12/23 at 11:23 am
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:07 am to Odysseus32
Another insidious ramification of all this is that your good teachers, the ones who do genuinely want to educate their kids on reading, writing, and arithmetic are throwing in the towel and taking pay cuts to go teach at private schools, or they’re changing professions entirely.
I personally know three who left the profession. And these were the teachers we want reaching our kids. Not the self-aggrandizing activist types.
I personally know three who left the profession. And these were the teachers we want reaching our kids. Not the self-aggrandizing activist types.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:08 am to Odysseus32
Starts with the parents...period.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:09 am to Odysseus32
Kids in public schools are not learning shite these days. Teachers have almost zero accountability at how much their students are learning, and that with a super easy and non-challenging curriculum. They are learning about half as much as kids did prior to the 2000's.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:10 am to Odysseus32
a lot depends on where you live as well
it can be skewed based on demographics
covid burned out a lot of the long timers and you have a lot of superintendents wanting to get out - just look at the areas surrounding Baton Rouge - Ascension, Zachary, Iberville all getting new superintendents
it's definitely an alarming trend when veteran educators are leaving by the droves as soon as they get that retirement
you have students coming from broken families that the school's really can't fix no matter how hard they try
you have a new dawn of teachers coming out of college that come from a different background and work ethic
a lot of dynamics at play
I had one kid that went through private school and another in public school right now, I can tell you from experience private schools have issues as well but usually are the more affluent kids that bring a whole set of different challenges these days
it can be skewed based on demographics
covid burned out a lot of the long timers and you have a lot of superintendents wanting to get out - just look at the areas surrounding Baton Rouge - Ascension, Zachary, Iberville all getting new superintendents
it's definitely an alarming trend when veteran educators are leaving by the droves as soon as they get that retirement
you have students coming from broken families that the school's really can't fix no matter how hard they try
you have a new dawn of teachers coming out of college that come from a different background and work ethic
a lot of dynamics at play
I had one kid that went through private school and another in public school right now, I can tell you from experience private schools have issues as well but usually are the more affluent kids that bring a whole set of different challenges these days
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:11 am to Odysseus32
Of course, it needs to be abolished. It’s a socialist system
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:12 am to Odysseus32
Stop requiring kids that don't want to be there to go would a start.
Public schools is nothing more than state mandated daycare for teens that won't amount to much more than a News segment, a few charges, and obituary. Kids nowadays can't even get expelled from public schools without the school district having another school for them to attend lined up which is an absolute joke of a protocol that need to be axed ASAP.
A protected few are ruining the education opportunities for other kids.
Public schools is nothing more than state mandated daycare for teens that won't amount to much more than a News segment, a few charges, and obituary. Kids nowadays can't even get expelled from public schools without the school district having another school for them to attend lined up which is an absolute joke of a protocol that need to be axed ASAP.
A protected few are ruining the education opportunities for other kids.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:13 am to Odysseus32
we spend more money than almost any other nation per student with far worse results.
The lower half of the US population has become a major problem. Its not fixable.
The lower half of the US population has become a major problem. Its not fixable.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:13 am to Odysseus32
I taught middle school for a year in the mid 90s. It was the same way back then.
Federal rules about not being able to actually expel kids or to enforce discipline policies that result in academic repercussions are part of the issue. The other part is the politicians wanting to gain points by touting high graduation rates, as if graduating means anything if everyone gets to do it regardless of ability.
The parents are even more worthless today and we have a growing festering underclass in the country. People who believe that all their ills and shortcomings are the results of someone else's design and that they do not bear primary responsibility for their situation and that their kids' lamentations are the result of someone else's actions, not a reflection of their low intellect or lazy work ethic.
Single parent households, drug and alcohol abuse, TVs and iPhones for babysitters, yada, yada, yada - at the end of the day they're all the result of self-centered individuals who have refused their obligations: to themselves, their kids, their community, and so forth. You can only shite in the living room so many times before the room becomes unlivable and America's pile is close to the window sill.
Federal rules about not being able to actually expel kids or to enforce discipline policies that result in academic repercussions are part of the issue. The other part is the politicians wanting to gain points by touting high graduation rates, as if graduating means anything if everyone gets to do it regardless of ability.
The parents are even more worthless today and we have a growing festering underclass in the country. People who believe that all their ills and shortcomings are the results of someone else's design and that they do not bear primary responsibility for their situation and that their kids' lamentations are the result of someone else's actions, not a reflection of their low intellect or lazy work ethic.
Single parent households, drug and alcohol abuse, TVs and iPhones for babysitters, yada, yada, yada - at the end of the day they're all the result of self-centered individuals who have refused their obligations: to themselves, their kids, their community, and so forth. You can only shite in the living room so many times before the room becomes unlivable and America's pile is close to the window sill.
This post was edited on 5/12/23 at 10:19 am
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:14 am to SUB
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Teachers have almost zero accountability at how much their students are learning, and that with a super easy and non-challenging curriculum. They are learning about half as much as kids did prior to the 2000's.
Right. Blame the teachers
With that said, this country still bases their education system based off a 100 year old curriculum. Our education system doesn’t match our daily lives anymore.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:15 am to Odysseus32
Bring back corporal punishment. That will solve everything overnight.
Kids will shut the frick up and pay attention if they fear getting the shite spanked out of them.
Kids will shut the frick up and pay attention if they fear getting the shite spanked out of them.
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:15 am to SUB
Tested subject teachers are definitely held accountable for their scores, and there is nothing easy about the curriculum.
You have no idea what kids are learning vs what they were 20 years ago.
But please, continue to talk like you have a clue.
Part of the problem is under qualified people think they have the answers from what they learned in schools 10-20+ years ago.
What you don’t understand is that the field of education is constantly shifting to new strategies in order to reach an entirely different generation of kids who have access to the majority of the information they need in their pockets, vs people who went to school before computers were used.
Students no longer have to work for their answers, and schools are still learning how to teach kids who are glued to screens for the majority of their days.
You have no idea what kids are learning vs what they were 20 years ago.
But please, continue to talk like you have a clue.
Part of the problem is under qualified people think they have the answers from what they learned in schools 10-20+ years ago.
What you don’t understand is that the field of education is constantly shifting to new strategies in order to reach an entirely different generation of kids who have access to the majority of the information they need in their pockets, vs people who went to school before computers were used.
Students no longer have to work for their answers, and schools are still learning how to teach kids who are glued to screens for the majority of their days.
This post was edited on 5/12/23 at 10:16 am
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:16 am to wartiger2004
Once the family system broke down, education collapsed. Now with no family structure and the border wide open, it’s hopeless. Good luck out there…
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:20 am to Odysseus32
Public Education is government funded daycare designed to dumb down the population for control. That has been the plan for decades.
To much red tape and "racism" to discipline kids. School boards have to keep race discipline reports and if one race is disciplined at too high a rate, the district will get sued. So a lot of discipline reports get thrown away or overlooked. So schools are full of kids that are not held to any standard. So the rest of the education system falls apart when you cannot separate the unwilling to be educated form the students that want to learn. Especially when all the laws and policy are designed to give every chance in the world to students that have no interest in learning or following any set of rules.
To much red tape and "racism" to discipline kids. School boards have to keep race discipline reports and if one race is disciplined at too high a rate, the district will get sued. So a lot of discipline reports get thrown away or overlooked. So schools are full of kids that are not held to any standard. So the rest of the education system falls apart when you cannot separate the unwilling to be educated form the students that want to learn. Especially when all the laws and policy are designed to give every chance in the world to students that have no interest in learning or following any set of rules.
This post was edited on 5/12/23 at 10:22 am
Posted on 5/12/23 at 10:21 am to Prominentwon
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Right. Blame the teachers
Yeah its not the teachers necessarily its cognitive and behavioral dysfunction in most of our population.
You can double the money spent on education and you'll have no improvement.
Utah spends far less than most states with much better results. Its all about your population, not your system.
This post was edited on 5/12/23 at 10:23 am
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