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re: Woman handles timber rattlesnake thinking it’s a rat snake

Posted on 9/6/24 at 7:40 am to
Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
Member since Oct 2018
4189 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 7:40 am to
Aren’t baby rattlers uber venomous? Or is that some old wive’s tale?
Posted by AwesomeSauce
Das Boot
Member since May 2015
10822 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 7:44 am to
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copperhead not knowing it was poisonous
Not poisonous at all, have had them, canebrake, and diamondback cooked over an open fire. Not great but better than a lot of MREs if you are on an extended camp. They are venomous however and I would stay away from them for that reason.
Posted by Festus
With Skillet
Member since Nov 2009
85597 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 7:48 am to
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Aren’t baby rattlers uber venomous? Or is that some old wive’s tale?

My understanding is that they are not necessarily uber venomous. It's just that when they strike, they tend to hold on and empty all of their venom. Where as an adult will strike quickly, and let go, so it has the potential to strike again if needed.

This can make the babies more dangerous.
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
20016 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 7:49 am to
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Aren’t baby rattlers uber venomous? Or is that some old wive’s tale?

No adult venomous snakes are more dangerous because they have larger venom yields
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
16268 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 7:49 am to
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Glocks do have an external safety.


Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
30639 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 7:51 am to
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Glocks do have an external safety.

Oh really? Is it that button just below the trigger on the handle where you put the clip?
Posted by loopback
Member since Jul 2011
4940 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 7:52 am to
Pupils.

With the exception of the coral snake, every venomous snake in North America has vertical pupils like a cat. All non venomous snakes have round pupils. Again, with the exception of the coral snake.
Posted by holdmuh keystonelite
Member since Oct 2020
2495 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 7:53 am to
How do people like this make it through life.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
129911 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 7:55 am to
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What an idiot
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
20016 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 7:56 am to
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Pupils. With the exception of the coral snake, every venomous snake in North America has vertical pupils like a cat. All non venomous snakes have round pupils. Again, with the exception of the coral snake.


Still not reliable, this might be from the light I’m not sure. Best way to identify a snake is multi-factorial and just learn the snakes in your area, particularly the water snakes.

It becomes a lot easier when you see enough photos and compare them

Apparently there’s an iNaturalist app that helps identify things too as a backup
Posted by Floyd Dawg
Silver Creek, GA
Member since Jul 2018
4565 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 7:58 am to
Nope. Develops rattles as they age.

I want to say some juvenile rattlers have yellow tails but I could be wrong.
Posted by Bama Bird
Member since Dec 2011
Member since Mar 2013
21742 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 7:59 am to
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If your “interest” is snakes, shouldn’t you have a basic knowledge of which ones can kill you and which ones can’t?


It's not like it's even difficult: most places in this country only have two species (copperhead and timber). Coastal South generally has 7, which is the most in this country: copperhead, timber, eastern diamondback, coral, cottonmouth, pygmy.

Everyone should just take 10 minutes to learn them- could save your life one day if you're a habitual dumbass like Claudia
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
16268 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:01 am to
Y’all baws need to study this. We had these posters when I was a chap.
This post was edited on 9/6/24 at 8:10 am
Posted by TimeOutdoors
LA
Member since Sep 2014
12845 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:04 am to
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This is why women shouldn’t be allowed to post on the internet


Do we really want someone to start a thread with all the stupid things guys do? (Not me of course).
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
15962 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:06 am to
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If the head is bigger than the body leading to it, most likely venomous. Easiest way to remember.

Most snakes can fake it.

After looking at some pics, I'm not sure I'd be able to tell the difference in a baby rat snake and a baby timber rattler. Very similar coloring, the markings are shaped a little different, but that's just based on the first few images on Google.

Pissed off juvenile rat snake from reddit.
This post was edited on 9/6/24 at 8:11 am
Posted by Bama Bird
Member since Dec 2011
Member since Mar 2013
21742 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:10 am to
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If the head is bigger than the body leading to it, most likely venomous. Easiest way to remember.



Water snakes and a few others have a tendency to flatten their heads to appear venomous so it's not necessarily a reliable way to tell. Most of our venomous snakes are pit vipers and they do have a chode-like head. Additionally, pit vipers are quite stubby and generally look like they should be longer than they actually are and they tend to hold their head at a distinct angle.

That being said, everyone should really just take the time to learn the ones in their area.
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
9092 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:10 am to
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I want to say some juvenile rattlers have yellow tails but I could be wrong.


IDK about juvenile rattlers, but juvenile Cottonmouths certainly do
Posted by LSU2ALA
Member since Jul 2018
2051 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:12 am to
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Do baby rattlesnakes not have rattles?


They do not. Thanks to watching a program with my son the other day I know they grow a new rattle every time they shed a skin as the rattle is a bit of old skin left from the molting.
Posted by Lexag
Texas
Member since Jan 2021
2202 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:17 am to
If you know what a velvet tail looks like that’s one. Here’s a juvenile I met a couple weeks back. Definitely has a rattle. Timbers have black tails. Hence the nickname velvet tail.


This post was edited on 9/6/24 at 8:18 am
Posted by HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Member since Jul 2011
31396 posts
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:18 am to
Venom and poison will both fricking kill you
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