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50 years of ‘SNL’ is just not funny (by Alan Dershowitz)

Posted on 2/20/25 at 9:58 am
Posted by L.A.
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 9:58 am
This is from his newsletter today, and it gets into the politics of SNL's "humor"

quote:

After suffering through more than three hours of “Saturday Night Live” unfunnyness on Sunday night, I’ve come to the sad realization that “SNL” was never that funny. There were moments — Belushi, Radner and a few others — but mostly the sketches were heavy on physical comedy and light on thoughtful humor. The 50 year anniversary had almost no funny moments.

My criticism goes deeper. The 50 years of “SNL” mediocrity helped to destroy really funny, laugh-out-loud comedy as practiced by such masters as Groucho Marx, Jackie Gleason, George Burns, Jack Benny, Bob Hope, Woody Allen, Elaine May, Bob Newhart, Don Rickles, Alan King, Jackie Mason, Rodney Dangerfield, Joan Rivers, Red Skelton, Danny Kaye and George Carlin.

Maybe it’s just a matter of taste or generational preference. But I really don’t think so. By anything close to objective standards, comedy has gone downhill since “SNL” became its dominant platform.

I have always loved good comedy. I grew up in a funny Brooklyn neighborhood, two houses away from Jackie Mason, a few blocks from Buddy Hackett and a couple of miles from Woody Allen. Humor — satire and quips — was our language of choice. We were judged in large part by how funny we were. A good joke circulated with the speed of conversation.

One of our favorite radio shows was called “Can You Top This?” It featured four comedians who tried to outdo each other by getting laughs. The MC would throw out a topic and the competitors would quickly tell a relevant joke. The winner was selected based on a laugh meter that measured the reaction of the live studio audience to each joke. I am willing to bet that if the live reaction to “SNL” were accurately measured, it would be far lower than the reactions to the comedians that it replaced.

The mostly physical and heavy-handed “comedy” of “SNL” resulted in audiences laughing at the prat fallers, rather than at the clever repartee of their predecessors. Old comedy was about words and ideas. “SNL” was largely about goofy actions and distorted faces.

Woody Allen was as funny on the written page as he was on the live stage. Other comedians made recordings that were hysterically funny. The broad physical comedy of “SNL” had to be seen live because the words themselves were not clever or ironic — or funny. “SNL” humor, unlike the comedy of wordsmiths like Groucho Marx, is rarely retold. For “SNL,” you had to be there.

For the past half-century, the criteria for success as a comedian depended on how many times Lorne Michaels selected you to fall down, make a face or scream. This had a discernible impact — for the worse — on how aspiring comedians honed their craft. It also had a negative impact on the expectations of audience members who experienced comedy largely through the narrow prism of “SNL.”

Maybe I’m just nostalgic for the comedy of my generation, but I still love today’s great stand-up comics. Unfortunately, there are too few of them and they don’t get the public airings if they haven’t “made it” to “SNL.”

The end result has been a dialing down of the laugh meter. Since the advent of “SNL,” many unfunny “comedians” go for the political applause rather than the belly laughs. They seek rehearsed approval for their political and ideological views rather than spontaneous bursts of genuine laughter. Signs in the audience tell them how to react, and the responses are anything but spontaneous. And we are the poorer for it. All thanks to “SNL” and Michaels.

The current TV manifestation of “SNL” comedy is late night TV. Rarely funny, but almost always political. And always progressive. More applause and fewer laughs. No more Johnny Carson. Instead we have the tendentious and rarely funny Stephen Colbert. And many young late night audiences say they get their “news” from these Solons.

Then there are the dime a dozen podcasts and radio talk shows, few of which are humorous or clever. But people listen by default because TV is so bad. Thank God for YouTube, where a determined connoisseur of classic comedy can go back to those glorious days of yesteryear and watch black and white standup from the 1960s or listen to crackly radio comedy from the 1950s.

Call me old fashioned and nostalgic. Tell me that I can’t adapt to change. But I love to laugh and I just don’t laugh at contemporary “SNL”-type comedy. If it weren’t sad, it would be funny.


Alan Dershowitz Substack
This post was edited on 2/20/25 at 10:00 am
Posted by wareagle7298
Birmingham
Member since Dec 2013
3167 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:01 am to
I'm glad some of the skits were around, but if you think about the amount of memorable skits vs the sheer amount of junk it is probably less than 1% of the output of that show.
Posted by Violent Hip Swivel
Member since Aug 2023
5583 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:05 am to
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My criticism goes deeper. The 50 years of “SNL” mediocrity helped to destroy really funny, laugh-out-loud comedy as practiced by such masters as Groucho Marx, Jackie Gleason, George Burns, Jack Benny, Bob Hope, Woody Allen, Elaine May, Bob Newhart, Don Rickles, Alan King, Jackie Mason, Rodney Dangerfield, Joan Rivers, Red Skelton, Danny Kaye and George Carlin.

Maybe it’s just a matter of taste or generational preference. But I really don’t think so. By anything close to objective standards, comedy has gone downhill since “SNL” became its dominant platform.

I have always loved good comedy. I grew up in a funny Brooklyn neighborhood, two houses away from Jackie Mason, a few blocks from Buddy Hackett and a couple of miles from Woody Allen. Humor — satire and quips — was our language of choice. We were judged in large part by how funny we were. A good joke circulated with the speed of conversation.



In terms of get off my lawn and/or old man yelling at clouds, this really does seem like something out of a comedy sketch.
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
20795 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:05 am to
I think SNL has gone down hill and the one-sided politics and wokeness is just part of it. But Dershowitz is being overly critical to the point of being an old man screaming at a cloud.

There was a lot of funny besides prat falls and “physical comedy”. Besides, who decided that well done physical comedy is new or not funny?

Buster Keaton, Laurel and Hardy, Charlie Chaplin and many other beg to differ.
Posted by shinerfan
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:07 am to
It's hard to believe that recent casts were even trying to be funny. And it's really bizarre that this never-ending 50 year tribute parade picks such dismal skits to commemorate.
Posted by tiger789
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:09 am to









anybody old enough to remember the coneheads ?
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
11387 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:10 am to
"After suffering through more than three hours of “Saturday Night Live” unfunnyness"
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Long suffering....I watched 5 minutes and that was too much...
This post was edited on 2/20/25 at 10:12 am
Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
6099 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:15 am to
Saturday Night Live has had its moments where it was fun and loose, but somewhere along the way it decided it was some gatekeeper of American "culture" and became largely tedious and stupid.

He's right in that the bulk of the show is mediocre and I think he's also right in that it became as much of a limiting factor in comics entering the mainstream as a springboard. But when he offers up Woody Allen as an example of what comedy has lost, I'm out. Woody Allen is as much of a pretentious blowhard as there is and his comedy appeal is extremely narrow. The problem with comedy is that is started to take itself seriously and when that happens, it's no longer comedy.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:16 am to
Old man doesn't understand comedy is relative to your generation, as he yells at cloud.
Posted by Me
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:17 am to
Leslie Jones=the ultimate DEI hire
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Member since Aug 2021
35326 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:17 am to
As one who grew up watching the original SNL cast, but did not see the 50th special , which moments in the entire anniversary show were genuinely well done? Other than harkening back on sentiment, of what value was there.

The close where Laraine Newman and Jane Curtin hold up a photo of Gilda… that hit.

Of course, leave it to current day media to screw this moment up as well.

Curtin, 77, Newman, 72, and Radner were the only women in the OG “SNL” cast, which also included Chevy Chase, Garrett Morris, Dan Aykroyd and the late John Belushi.

So three of the seven listed members were women, nearly 50% yet they are described as “the only women“ on the original cast. And this was 50 years ago.

Posted by TechBullDawg
Member since May 2014
1477 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:21 am to
Most often the music was the best part of the show
Posted by bluestem75
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2007
4550 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:23 am to
Dear Alan—

Woody Allen was never funny. He also had an affair with his adopted kid. You should treat him as you would Harvey Weinstein.

Thank you,
America
Posted by SUB
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:25 am to
I enjoyed it, though there were some major duds. I stopped reading when he said SNL was "never funny." The man has no sense of humor if that's what he thinks. It's sucked the past decade, but there are some very bright spots before that.
Posted by Trauma14
Member since Aug 2010
6302 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:27 am to
quote:

My criticism goes deeper. The 50 years of “SNL” mediocrity helped to destroy really funny, laugh-out-loud comedy as practiced by such masters as Groucho Marx, Jackie Gleason, George Burns, Jack Benny, Bob Hope, Woody Allen, Elaine May, Bob Newhart, Don Rickles, Alan King, Jackie Mason, Rodney Dangerfield, Joan Rivers, Red Skelton, Danny Kaye and George Carlin.


Not to be too nitpicky, but he really left Carol Burnett off this list! Blasphemy!

Carol Burnett Show - The Elephant Story (Youtube)
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
14475 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:30 am to
Collin Jost and Mikey Che are the most recent that I find funny. The rest is shite.
Posted by TROLA
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Member since Apr 2004
13849 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:31 am to
I dont think he’s accepting enough of the generational differences in comedy.. I agree with his general sentiment regarding SNL but the issue is one of style and substance. They ruined the show on the political comedy side when they simply refused to bring real parody and comedy when Obama was elected. That was the moment when they allowed their personal beliefs to cloud their duty of attempting to be objectively funny
Posted by International_Aggie
Member since Oct 2012
1838 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:35 am to
It went downhill when they fired Norm.

That was the watershed moment.
Posted by geauxjuice
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Member since Jan 2007
4213 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:45 am to
people always say the first cast they remember was best and it's been downhill ever since when in reality it's been the same ok-ish show the whole time.

nothing worse than being held hostage by an old-timer opining that landshark and cheeburger cheeburger was the pinnacle of comedy
Posted by PalletJack
LA by birth, TX by choice
Member since Oct 2024
427 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:48 am to
No Goat Boy means no funny
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