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German Reunification: What still divides East and West
Posted on 10/26/20 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 10/26/20 at 2:49 pm
https://www.dw.com/en/german-reunification-what-still-divides-east-and-west/a-55078166
Few things.
I've heard the Saxony accent thing from my Austrian friend (who lived in Germany) and also that East German's think they're entitled to benefits.
From just doing a little bit of research, this "Right Wing" party this piece is talking about is Pro American and Pro Israel. They praised Trump's decision to move the embassy to Jerusalem.
The Muslim thing I think may be accurate for the former East. My Grandmother's (who was German and had family in the East and West) friend was from Dresden. My dad still talks to her daughter and she told him recently their family was pissed at Merkel for allowing the refugees in.
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It's the economy, stupid
The area occupied by former East Germany has a much smaller population than the former West (about 16 million people, compared with about 67 million), but its productivity is lower even when adjusted to the population difference, according to a 2019 Pew Research Center survey.
People in the former East earn only 86% of the after-tax income of their West German counterparts. The average unemployment rate there in late 2019 was 6.9%, compared to 4.8% in the former West.
Apparently, this is more than just dry figures for some, as I have come to realize during dinner at a close friend's place in Berlin. "Ossies still have their communist mindset," her father said. "They're just as lazy and dysfunctional today as they were 30 years ago," he insisted in disdain.
But many from the former East — and West — beg to differ. "One stereotype about Easterners is that they're lazy, but that's obviously not true," says Chris, a 33-year-old engineer from Kaiserslautern, who now lives in Berlin. Like the other interviewees he did not want to read his full name in this article.
To him, the former East could possibly be poorer "due to a vicious circle," in which skilled workers leave in search for better salaries, leading major companies to locate their headquarters in the former West, leading to even more people leaving the former East.
"All colleagues of mine who come from the former East left for the same reason," he explains, and a colleague of his, 29-year-old Andreas, who grew up in Cottbus, agrees: "My mom still lives in my hometown, but there weren't job opportunities for me there, so moving away was inevitable."
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Stereotypes in both directions
A few months into living in Germany, a German friend of mine told me about a date she went on, saying that the guy was genuinely nice, but she could "never date someone with a Saxonian accent."
I was new to the country, and could hardly distinguish between different accents and dialects, but living here for six years I can confirm that this is not the first time I've heard such a statement — specifically about people from Saxony, and less so about dialects from other regions.
"The issue Westerners have with our dialect is nonsense," says 36-year-old Peter, a mechanical engineer born and raised in a small village near Dresden.
"Germany is full of different dialects — why is it that the Eastern ones are always ridiculed?" he asks. "It shows just who's more narrow-minded."
According to him, the East's communist past has actually led people from there to be more critical of the government and "significantly less religious" than those from the former West.
"If anything, many West Germans should take a close look at their own old-fashioned opinions before they judge others," he argues.
Indeed, according to a different Pew Research Center poll, six-in-ten adults in the former West said religion is very or somewhat important in their lives, whereas an identical share of those in the former East said religion is not too or not at all important.
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On the right path
The sense of division between former East and West also remains when it comes to politics. Attitudes toward the EU, for example, are different, and although Germans are generally pro-European Union, the share of adults who have a favorable view of the EU is higher in the former West. So is their general sense of optimism about the future.
Additionally, the relative popularity of the right-wing populist "Alternative für Deutschland" party (AfD) in Eastern Germany is viewed with concern in the West . Twenty-four percent of adults in the East express a favorable view of the party, compared to only 12% in the former West.
"Whilst young people didn't grow up in a divided Germany, I think they still inherited a lot from their parents and grandparents about how they see the world and how open they are to it," says 32-year-old Laura, who grew up in a western neighborhood in Berlin.
"Whereas kids in the West and their parents didn't know anything but an open world, older generations in the East never had to deal with foreigners, and also didn't know how to once these foreigners started to show up after the wall came down," she explains.
"I think that's also where the higher levels of racism in the East come from. There was just a lot of fear," says Laura.
Those living in the former East today are indeed more likely than their Western counterparts to have an unfavorable view of Muslims (36% vs. 22%)
The good news, however, is that despite noticeable differences in political views and economic growth, Germans from all backgrounds overwhelmingly believe the reunification was a positive development.
"Just like with everything else in life: Better drop the prejudice or you can miss out on some amazing people," Anna, a 32-year-old marketing manager from Cologne says in laughter, explaining that she herself is the daughter of a father from the former West and a mother from the former East.
And if current trends continue, Germany is very likely to close all the gaps between former East and West - sooner rather than later.
Few things.
I've heard the Saxony accent thing from my Austrian friend (who lived in Germany) and also that East German's think they're entitled to benefits.
From just doing a little bit of research, this "Right Wing" party this piece is talking about is Pro American and Pro Israel. They praised Trump's decision to move the embassy to Jerusalem.
The Muslim thing I think may be accurate for the former East. My Grandmother's (who was German and had family in the East and West) friend was from Dresden. My dad still talks to her daughter and she told him recently their family was pissed at Merkel for allowing the refugees in.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 2:55 pm to Contra
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To him, the former East could possibly be poorer "due to a vicious circle," in which skilled workers leave in search for better salaries, leading major companies to locate their headquarters in the former West, leading to even more people leaving the former East.
This reminds me of the best and brightest in Louisiana moving to Texas for better opportunity.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 2:58 pm to Contra
Living under the yoke of communism really fricked the people in East Germany. But that part the country is now more conservative/nationalists than the west. But there are segments in East Germany that still long for government entitlement such as they had in the GDR. The leftists support the Green Party and Die Linke. The right nationalists support AFD.
Add also that DW is as left-wing globalist woke as it gets.
Add also that DW is as left-wing globalist woke as it gets.
This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 10/26/20 at 3:04 pm to Contra
My wife says put the wall back up, Bavaria and other western states are still sending tax dollars over the former Eastern Germany. She is not fond of some of the eastern parts of Germany.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 3:19 pm to AU86
IMO the people of West Germany have often looked down upon and sort of resented people from the eastern part. There are many reasons for this but it is true. Many from the western part have never really accepted the East as equal sections.
This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 10/26/20 at 3:24 pm to AU86
I have family near K-Town. Back in the 90's I remember them complaining about Easterners starting to migrate to their small town and doing nothing but being lazy as hell.
Hard to blame the people though for generations of conditioning. They ended up adapting pretty well I'm assuming because I stopped hearing complaints about them in the 2000's.
The BIG issue now is the huge influx of refugees. Very few of them have any sort of workable skills and there is absolutely no plan to try and enter them into the workforce. They were all given free cell phones and the downtown area(5k population) has free wifi. All they do all day long every day is just sit around downtown on their phones and harass people walking by.
It blows my fricking mind that Merkel got re-elected. She's ruining the country that basically has been keeping the EU afloat.
Hard to blame the people though for generations of conditioning. They ended up adapting pretty well I'm assuming because I stopped hearing complaints about them in the 2000's.
The BIG issue now is the huge influx of refugees. Very few of them have any sort of workable skills and there is absolutely no plan to try and enter them into the workforce. They were all given free cell phones and the downtown area(5k population) has free wifi. All they do all day long every day is just sit around downtown on their phones and harass people walking by.
It blows my fricking mind that Merkel got re-elected. She's ruining the country that basically has been keeping the EU afloat.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 3:30 pm to pankReb
Merkel has truly fricked that country. Germany is a beautiful country but it is time for the US to stop providing for their defense. Germany spends nothing on their military and uses their resources to provide social welfare programs for its people.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 3:30 pm to AU86
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Living under the yoke of communism really fricked the people in East Germany. But that part the country is now more conservative/nationalists than the west. But there are segments in East Germany that still long for government entitlement such as they had in the GDR. The leftists support the Green Party and Die Linke. The right nationalists support AFD.
Add also that DW is as left-wing globalist woke as it gets.
Indeed. It fricked things up badly for families (my grandmother never got to see her family in the communist East again) and the economy.
That's what my Austrian friend was telling me there is still longing for those old socialist benefits to some.
This was the first I've heard of a right wing presence growing there though. Of course the media would consider pro American and pro Israel to be "far right".
Posted on 10/26/20 at 3:32 pm to Contra
Germans calling other Germans 'lazy'.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 3:33 pm to Contra
About the accents, I think the Swabian accent is the worst. Not making fun of Cajuns, but imagine trying to learn to speak English watching Swamp People. They're terrible down here.
Another thing, the West Germans are seen as pretentious & snobby by many from the former East. And they are. One of our friends was from the East, and when she moved to the West, they wouldn't put her on the college prep track in 4th grade.
One thing about western Germans though? They're eaten up with the United States. For crying out loud, they have a U.S. Election links on the front page of their newspaper pages.
Another thing, the West Germans are seen as pretentious & snobby by many from the former East. And they are. One of our friends was from the East, and when she moved to the West, they wouldn't put her on the college prep track in 4th grade.
One thing about western Germans though? They're eaten up with the United States. For crying out loud, they have a U.S. Election links on the front page of their newspaper pages.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 3:37 pm to Contra
AFD is really a German right wing nationalist party. Very anti immigrant and wants good relations with Russia. Pro American somewhat but not pro neo liberal or pro neo con.
The Real crazies are the Greens and Die Linke. Die Linke(also known as The Left) is a spin off of The old GDR Communist Party.
I call the Greens the Watermelon Party. Green on the outside but red on the inside.
The Real crazies are the Greens and Die Linke. Die Linke(also known as The Left) is a spin off of The old GDR Communist Party.
I call the Greens the Watermelon Party. Green on the outside but red on the inside.
This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 10/26/20 at 3:44 pm to Contra
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To him, the former East could possibly be poorer "due to a vicious circle," in which skilled workers leave in search for better salaries, leading major companies to locate their headquarters in the former West, leading to even more people leaving the former East.
How the hell is this even possible?
You have 83 million people and the 4th largest GDP in the world squeezed into an area the size of New Mexico. How are there not jobs in all areas of the country?
This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 10/26/20 at 3:48 pm to Contra
Contra, thank you for the insight and the article. Other posters as well, for your input. I lived in Butzbach and Darmstadt as a child in the mid '70's, and as a young Lieutenant was stationed in Augsburg from '88-92. I didn't live on the American Kaserne, I lived on the economy in a little village called Mering, and developed close friendships with German neighbors that persist to this day. It was absolutely fascinating to observe all of the issues and history first hand when the wall came down. Many of the West German attitudes described in your OP/article were expressed from the very beginning right after the wall came down.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 3:54 pm to Evolved Simian
It is true. The East is way behind the west economically. There has been a reluctance from the west to invest in the east. Compare it to areas in the US that are very little or slow economic investment/growth. The communist system really conditioned those people. When Germany reunited East Germany was on the verge of total economic collapse. They were basically bankrupt.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 3:59 pm to AU86
The first inkling of West German's ire was within weeks after the wall coming down, the occasional East German Skoda Trabant, belching white smoke and topping out at maybe 50-60 miles per hour, got in the left lane of the Autobahn only to be NASCAR'd by very mad West Germans in BMWs and Mercedes blowing by them and shaking their fists in irritation. 

Posted on 10/26/20 at 4:04 pm to geaux88


I can see that. As far as wealth goes. It was Texas/California/New York meet your long lost cousins from the black belt or delta region.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 4:33 pm to AU86
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I call the Greens the Watermelon Party. Green on the outside but red on the inside.
This always fascinates me. Within the last century, just two communist countries have done more environmental damage than every other country/society - in history - combined. That doesn't even begin to account for the human toll, that's continuing this very year with an exclamation point.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 4:36 pm to Contra
Who really won the Cold War?
Merkel, the Red footsoldier: German chancellor under fire as reports of her Communist past emerge....

Merkel, the Red footsoldier: German chancellor under fire as reports of her Communist past emerge....

Posted on 10/26/20 at 5:42 pm to Toomer Deplorable
I have always called Angela: That East German Communist.


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