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re: Governor Sarah got her School Choice bill - $7,500 per student vouchers for private.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:17 pm to Numberwang
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:17 pm to Numberwang
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Until recently, white Arkansas parents could not choose to send their kids to a school district they were not assigned to, if that school district was whiter than their current school district. I believe until this bill they had to get on a waiting list based on other factors.
So this bill permits overcrowding of public schools based on parent demand?
You may have to explain this better because this paragraph makes no sense.
I haven't read this bill. Teach me.
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:20 pm to meansonny
If School District A gets funding at or near $7,500 per student, and loses 100 students (and the costs associated with educating those students), how is that a hardship on the district?
Public schools are, like most other state-operated ventures, very inefficient. You see small school districts in Arkansas with two superintendents, for example. Completely wasteful. Cut the "Assistant Superintendent" making $125,000 per year. Boom, you've just freed up funds equivalent to potentially losing 17 students to private academies.
Public schools are, like most other state-operated ventures, very inefficient. You see small school districts in Arkansas with two superintendents, for example. Completely wasteful. Cut the "Assistant Superintendent" making $125,000 per year. Boom, you've just freed up funds equivalent to potentially losing 17 students to private academies.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:21 pm to Numberwang
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Governor Sarah got her anti-school groomers bill
fixed
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:24 pm to meansonny
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So this bill permits overcrowding of public schools based on parent demand?
You may have to explain this better because this paragraph makes no sense.
I haven't read this bill. Teach me.
Another way of stating it would be that this bill removes the arbitrary category of a student's racial background in allowing their parents to make a choice where that student should attend school.
Anyway, that's a change that is mostly already in place. School districts can refuse to take additional transfers if they are at or beyond capacity. They cannot refuse transfers based on categories such as race. Equality is great. Equity, not so much...
The other changes are phased in over a couple years. It will not be an abrupt change for public or private schools...
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:28 pm to Sus-Scrofa
They are alive and well in Little Rock and Southeast Arkansas.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:30 pm to meansonny
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"Money follows my child" is more apt
MY money follows MY child. Oh the horror!
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:31 pm to Numberwang
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Public schools are, like most other state-operated ventures, very inefficient
Every school, public or private, is inefficient.
You have superintendents, HR, athletics directors, Dean of discipline, principals and assistant principals.
You have hard building costs, rooms, and maintenance.
You take 100 students away from either school (public or private) and all of the above overhead still exists. The same number of classrooms. Same square footage. Same playground.
You add 200 students and all of the above overhead still exists.
Is the school with more kids better at efficiency because it us better managed? Or is it better efficiency because it has more butts in seats by geography?
There is no "magic efficiency" of private schools other than they do not have a legal obligation to accept C and D students. They do not have a legal obligation to accept a blind student (or any similar student in need of a full time personal attendant).
I attended private school.
I have been on the governance council to 5 different schools.
These bills tout promises without looking at actual consequences. Without looking at who is getting served and who isn't.
They sell the sizzle but not the butchery.
I get it. They are "sexy". "Choice" is a sexy term. It is easy to get seduced by $7500 per child.
But why did the Arkansas state constitution take up the cause of free public education? Why is that $7500 even there to begin with?
The salesmen who pitch these bills don't want to ask "why the fence is there". They just want to tear it down because today it is convenient. ACA 2.0
Let a politician find a solution and he/she will. Even if the solution is worse than the problem.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:33 pm to Numberwang
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:34 pm to Taurus
Daddy Huckster was still much better than the terrible Demofraud governors Arkansas has had over the decades.
One step at a time.
One step at a time.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:35 pm to BigMob
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MY money follows MY child. Oh the horror!
It doesn't sound sexier than school choice.
It sounds selfish.
You think it is an accident that the bill is incorrectly labeled?
You think it is an accident that the creators of the bill would prefer to hide the true sales pitch?
Maybe the creators of the bill have a financial interest in private education. Either directly or indirectly (in Georgia they have all obtained charter status and organizations that cater to charter schools are the financiers of this sort of legislature)
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:37 pm to Numberwang
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Another way of stating it would be that this bill removes the arbitrary category of a student's racial background in allowing their parents to make a choice where that student should attend school.
That sounds like it could be a different bill than diverting $7500 taxpayer dollars to parents who are already sending their kids to private school.
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School districts can refuse to take additional transfers if they are at or beyond capacity
You make that sound like it is a bad thing. Like schools should be forced over capacity because a parent says so.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:40 pm to meansonny
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It sounds selfish.
To be able to use my tax dollars to educate my child?
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You think it is an accident that the bill is incorrectly labeled? You think it is an accident that the creators of the bill would prefer to hide the true sales pitch? Maybe the creators of the bill have a financial interest in private education. Either directly or indirectly (in Georgia they have all obtained charter status and organizations that cater to charter schools are the financiers of this sort of legislature)
Do you think these efforts (to change how education is funded) would be happening if public schools were at least reasonably good at what they’re supposed to do?
I don’t.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:46 pm to meansonny
quote:I would prefer it if the parents got a $7500 tax credit for sending their child to private school, instead of public school, and they could roll over any excess tax credit instead of a voucher. The voucher system is why prices go up. If parents pull it out of their pockets instead of handing off a voucher, they'll mind the prices and support accordingly to their comfort level. This will create competition. That will keep prices down.
It doesn't sound sexier than school choice.
It sounds selfish.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:48 pm to David_DJS
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quote:
It sounds selfish.
To be able to use my tax dollars to educate my child?
Not selfish
"My money pays for my child's private school education"
Selfish
"The physical tax apportionment for my child pays for his private school education whether I pay $7500 in property taxes or not".
Maybe businesses and corporations should be able to opt for lower tax bills since they don't have children.
Maybe DINKs should not have to pay those taxes either.
Should a family with 6 kids get their property tax bill tripled?
This is your logic.
Let's carry it forward.
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Do you think these efforts (to change how education is funded) would be happening if public schools were at least reasonably good at what they’re supposed to do?
I don’t.
Public schools have a constitutional obligation to make their jobs near impossible.
Certainly as compared to private school acceptance and enrollment.
School, by its nature, is inefficient.
It doesn't get solved by throwing more money at it.
But constitutional obligations to take every child for 8 hours a day gets harder when you take money away.
Administrators will find a way.
They always do.
And people like you on the internet can continue to bash them when their near impossible job continues to look like a near impossible job.
And the dumbest part of it all is... kids get out of school what they put in. It is just harder to get that effort with those 2 D students in the classroom disrupting the other 92%.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:51 pm to BengalOnTheBay
quote:75%? bullshite. This is a handout. You and most will receive far more in voucher money than anything you pay through the property tax portion dedicated to the schools. This goes especially for those who have more than one child.
You're a fricking idiot. My daughter will never go to a public school, yet I pay over $15,000 in property taxes every year, of which probably 75% pay for public schools. So not only does that benefit my family in no way, but I have to spend thousands every year paying for her homeschooling.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:58 pm to Numberwang
Need this in Texas
Posted on 3/7/23 at 12:03 am to Numberwang
Either your district gets competitive or you go belly up.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 12:04 am to BigMob
quote:"frick housing vouchers, they're just more government handouts that screw up decent neighborhoods. What? School vouchers? Yes sir, sign me up!!!"
I pay a total of $23,000 a year tuition for 2. I would gladly accept $15,000 to go towards that. I could breathe again, actually
This post was edited on 3/7/23 at 12:14 am
Posted on 3/7/23 at 12:13 am to meansonny
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It doesn't get solved by throwing more money at it. But constitutional obligations to take every child for 8 hours a day gets harder when you take money away. Administrators will find a way. They always do. And people like you on the internet can continue to bash them when their near impossible job continues to look like a near impossible job.
Are you an educator?
Posted on 3/7/23 at 12:27 am to David_DJS
Finance.
But I'm currently on 2 school governance councils and I represent at the district as well.
I've been on 3 other school's council as well.
But I'm currently on 2 school governance councils and I represent at the district as well.
I've been on 3 other school's council as well.
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