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Is Western culture stopping people from growing up? Kidults are all around you

Posted on 9/7/24 at 5:27 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 9/7/24 at 5:27 am
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Is Western culture stopping people from growing up?
Kidults are all around you

(Excerpts from Infantilised. By Keith Hayward. Constable; 432 pages)

By The Economist Staff
Aug 16th 2024


An older boss was correcting a younger female employee. “There is no P in ‘hamster’,” said the boss. But “that’s how I spell it,” the 20-something objected. The boss suggested they consult a dictionary. The employee called her mother, put her on speakerphone and tearfully insisted that she tell her boss not to be so mean.

It is an arresting vignette. The tearful employee appears to have imbibed the notion of “my truth”, a popular phrase intended to rationalise the speaker’s beliefs and shield them from criticism based on facts. You may say that 1+1=2, but “my truth” is that it makes three. Post-modernists deem this way of thinking sophisticated. Keith Hayward calls it childish. He is right.

But Mr Hayward, a criminologist at the University of Copenhagen, goes much further. In “Infantilised”, he contends that young people today are less mature than previous generations, and that Western culture is to blame. He offers plenty of examples of “kidulting” to reinforce his case. Some people like to recreate their childhood pleasures by dressing up as “My Little Pony” and buying tickets to places where they can jump into ball pits and do pillow-fights. Some carry on pursuing teenage kicks in nightclubs well into early middle age.

Over many years as a lecturer, Mr Hayward grew concerned that his 18-year-old students “resembled less mature teenagers on the cusp of adulthood and more fearful schoolchildren adrift in an alien world of adult autonomy”. One arrived in class dressed in a onesie, noting that it was cold and he liked to feel comfortable. Was he not “concerned about the infantilising overtones of such a garment?” asked Mr Hayward. “No, I want to be treated like a kid,” came the reply. “Adulting is hard.”
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Finally, Mr Hayward chides the liberal commentariat. On the one hand, they celebrated Greta Thunberg, a former schoolgirl activist, as an “all-knowing sage”, despite her possessing “no scientific expertise” and saying “nothing original whatsoever about climate issues”. This, he claims, is evidence of “a role reversal in which young people are increasingly assigned the intellectual gravitas and cultural authority to educate adults”.

On the other hand, when Shamima Begum, a British schoolgirl roughly the same age as Ms Thunberg, went off to join the mass-murdering, mass-raping Islamic State, the same liberal pundits decried the British government’s decision not to allow her back into Britain to face justice, presenting her “as a duped child…far too young and naive to know her own mind, and therefore not responsible for her subsequent actions”. “When society acts in such a hypocritical fashion, adultfiying on the one hand and infantilising on the other, it is playing a dangerous and duplicitous game,” thunders Mr Hayward.

Maybe so. But the main liberal argument for allowing Ms Begum to return home is that it is against international law to make someone stateless. If it were not, countries could dump all their criminals on foreign shores and refuse to take them back. Mr Hayward does not mention this.

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Posted by stelly1025
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Posted on 9/7/24 at 5:46 am to
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The employee called her mother, put her on speakerphone and tearfully insisted that she tell her boss not to be so mean.


"You are fired now leave." Don't play with this type of foolishness and if you do than it is your own fault.
Posted by KingOrange
Mayfair
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 9/7/24 at 5:52 am to
This is spot on. The culture of the Helicopter parent and the iPhone have destroyed this generation.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 9/7/24 at 5:56 am to
Let’s put aside the whole arguing with the truth of spelling you can easily find on your phone if you have reached the age of 20 and still don’t know how to spell hamster.

I can’t, and don’t think any of us can imagine a time in life where we would have gotten our mother on the phone to talk to our boss at work, not even when I was 15 and bussing tables at Luther’s BBQ after school can I even imagine the sheer embarrassment I would have endured by doing so.


Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 9/7/24 at 5:56 am to
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Infantilised”, he contends that young people today are less mature than previous generations,


No shite.

Instead of solving problems, these adults call Mom or dad. It's a competency crisis among younger generations.

This post was edited on 9/7/24 at 6:04 am
Posted by RaginCajunz
Member since Mar 2009
6549 posts
Posted on 9/7/24 at 5:57 am to
I see it in some parenting styles. Certainly in the results of the Gen-Zers I’ve known.

Raising kids is easy. Personally I’m doing my best to raise adults in my house.
Posted by TygerTyger
Houston
Member since Oct 2010
10281 posts
Posted on 9/7/24 at 5:58 am to
They are the Soy Generation
This post was edited on 9/7/24 at 5:59 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 9/7/24 at 6:05 am to
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can’t, and don’t think any of us can imagine a time in life where we would have gotten our mother on the phone to talk to our boss at work,


If I were arrested or fired, my parents would have been the last people I would have called.

I appreciate them holding me accountable, caused me to find my own solution..
This post was edited on 9/7/24 at 10:50 am
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
29575 posts
Posted on 9/7/24 at 6:08 am to
Something I have noticed lately, is that simple words don't mean the same thing to young people anymore.
Go into a parts store, a fast food place or wherever young people work at a counter, and ask for " a couple" of anything.
They will ask you "how many?"
Me: A couple is 2. It's always been 2, that is what the word means.
They get mad when you tell them that.
What's up with that?
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
5705 posts
Posted on 9/7/24 at 6:09 am to
It all started when nature shows went soft. I remember watching lions shred all sorts of prey animals on PBS as a kid. It was an early lesson that life isn't "nice."
Posted by Epaminondas
The Boot
Member since Jul 2020
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Posted on 9/7/24 at 6:10 am to
It used to be that kids (actual young children - not 20 year olds) didn't want their parents involved even in things they were supposed to be.
Posted by reverendotis
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 9/7/24 at 6:20 am to
I take overnights for part of the year. Around shift change one morning, I saw a lamentably well educated young man putting instant coffee granules in the coffee maker.

"Don't do that, its instant coffee, you jackass" was my advice.

After giving me a dirty look, he pulled out his phone, presumably to fact check me. Spoiler : I was indeed correct.
Posted by glassart
Member since Apr 2021
567 posts
Posted on 9/7/24 at 6:31 am to
Is Feminism stopping Western women from growing up? (fify)

The answer is yes and Generation X/Affirmative Action women in particular will never achieve maturity.

Women like Lizbian Cheney had all the privileges and power of men with none of tge responsibilities and accountability. Gen X women were put on a pedestal by draft dodging effeminate boomer men. They are the wizard sleeve generation of ran through used up women. They did all the drugs but never got a pee test.

Why would they grow up and start helping men? They like the current scenario of they don’t need a particular man because everyone else’s man pays for them. We have devalued everything important to keeping society cohesive.

Men ain’t gonna do sheeyit. They may vote for Trump but most will still Simp for Blown Out Becky who was pretty at her all girl school in 1985.
Posted by glassart
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Posted on 9/7/24 at 6:33 am to
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 9/7/24 at 6:47 am to
I honestly didn’t know how to spell it, but being accurate is not mean. If I had an employee have their mother talk to me about “being mean” I’d simply ask “do they live with you?”

If the answer is yes, which is what I’d just about guarantee it would be I’d tell them they should be home soon….they’re fired.

If no, well they’re fired anyway, just less fun telling mom.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
19226 posts
Posted on 9/7/24 at 6:49 am to
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Of I were arrested or fired, my parents would have been the last people I would have called.
I lived in a small town, so the cop would have known who to call and likely even have had the number if I’d been arrested.

I’d be begging the cop to leave me locked up, would be safer.
Posted by Gusoline
Jacksonville, NC
Member since Dec 2013
9926 posts
Posted on 9/7/24 at 6:52 am to
Ina. Qorld where if you let yournchild play outside unsupervised theres a higher chance of getting kodnapped than getting hit by a car.... how do you not hellicopter parent to an extent unleas you have a badass wife and can pump out 7 babes and have a herd to look out for one another.
Posted by LuckyTiger
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Posted on 9/7/24 at 7:03 am to
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 9/7/24 at 7:08 am to
quote:

It all started when nature shows went soft. I remember watching lions shred all sorts of prey animals on PBS as a kid. It was an early lesson that life isn't "nice."



How many cartoons and Disney shows have talking animals living amongst one another? A jaguar and gazelle working as police animals ? Kids are not taught reality anymore, they're taught a dream world and they're anxious and depressed because their dream world will never be no matter how much they scream for it.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 9/7/24 at 7:09 am to
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If I had an employee have their mother talk to me about “being mean” I’d simply ask “do they live with you?”


Having their mother call you isn't the firing point?
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