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Pacific Palisades Reservoir Has Been Offline/Empty for 11mos Awaiting A $130K Repair !!!
Posted on 1/11/25 at 6:37 am
Posted on 1/11/25 at 6:37 am
DEI ... Democrats Employing Idiots
• Regulators ID'd a tear in the reservoir cover.
• Regulators ordered the LA Dept of Water and Power (DWP) to drain the site to avoid contamination.
• Emptying of the reservoir began in February 2024
• DWP then didn't seek bids for the repair until April
• In November, the DWP finally signed off on a $130,000 repair contract
• The contracted Lakeside firm said they'd get to it in 2-3 months.
quote:In summary:
State to probe why Pacific Palisades reservoir was offline, empty when firestorm exploded
by Matt Hamilton
Jan 10, 2025
A large reservoir in Pacific Palisades that is part of the Los Angeles water supply system was out of commission when a ferocious wildfire destroyed thousands of homes and other structures nearby, the Los Angeles Times found.
Officials said that the Santa Ynez Reservoir had been closed since about February for repairs to its cover, leaving a 117-million-gallon water storage complex empty in the heart of the Palisades for nearly a year.
...
DWP officials have said that demand for water during an unprecedented fire made it impossible to maintain any pressure to hydrants at high elevations.
Had the reservoir been operable, water pressure in the Palisades would have lasted longer on Tuesday night, said former DWP general manager Martin Adams, an expert on the city's water system.
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Emptying of the reservoir began in February after a tear in the floating cover measuring several feet allowed debris, bird droppings and other objects to enter the water supply. Regulators ordered DWP to drain the site to avoid contamination.
DWP sought bids for the repair in April, at a cost of up to $89,000. In November, the utility signed off on a contract with a Lakeside firm for about $130,000, records show.
The status of the repairs is unclear. The DWP's employee union leader condemned the months-long wait to restore the reservoir.
"It's completely unacceptable that this reservoir was empty for almost a year for minor repairs," Gus Corona, business manager of IBEW Local 18, said in an interview with The Times.
"This work should have been done in-house, and they shouldn't have depended on a contractor to do it," he said. "I truly believe it's something that could have been avoided."
Joseph Ramallo, a chief communications officer for DWP, said the reservoir was scheduled to reopen in February.
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• Regulators ID'd a tear in the reservoir cover.
• Regulators ordered the LA Dept of Water and Power (DWP) to drain the site to avoid contamination.
• Emptying of the reservoir began in February 2024
• DWP then didn't seek bids for the repair until April
• In November, the DWP finally signed off on a $130,000 repair contract
• The contracted Lakeside firm said they'd get to it in 2-3 months.
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Posted on 1/11/25 at 6:49 am to NC_Tigah
I posted this in another thread, but it took 13 months to build the Empire State Building.
They couldn’t repair the cover of this reservoir within a year.
This country is retarded.
They couldn’t repair the cover of this reservoir within a year.
This country is retarded.
This post was edited on 1/11/25 at 7:01 am
Posted on 1/11/25 at 6:56 am to NC_Tigah
It's just like the Biden "chips act", the purpose of the act is to ensure national security around our high end chips manufacturing but the left stuffs in every DEI mandate they possibly can such as forcing the hiring of certain races/genders, or forcing the hiring of felons.
The result? Chips manufacturers try to work around the chips act and it's entire purpose is undermined by the religious DEI zealots.
The result? Chips manufacturers try to work around the chips act and it's entire purpose is undermined by the religious DEI zealots.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 6:57 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Pacific Palisades Reservoir Has Been Offline/Empty for 11mos Awaiting A $130K Repair !!!
This is so California -
Posted on 1/11/25 at 7:00 am to Scruffy
quote:
posted this in another thread, but it to 13 months to build the Empire State Building.
They couldn’t repair the cover of this reservoir within a year.
This country is retarded.
Yea look at NASA and the SLS/Artemis program. Spent over $26 billion and only one unmanned launch to go around the moon to show. Kennedy had them going to the moon by the end of the 60's.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 7:11 am to Scruffy
quote:It's a frigging non-load-bearing tear a few feet long. Get a tarp and some Flex-Seal to temporarily cover it. Then get the final project done. Emptying a reservoir 11 months for a $130,000 project is stupid beyond belief.
I posted this in another thread, but it took 13 months to build the Empire State Building.
This post was edited on 1/11/25 at 7:12 am
Posted on 1/11/25 at 7:23 am to NC_Tigah
California is paralyzed by their own inability to break out of the hive mindset. They are more concerned with virtue signalling than taking care of business. Hopefully, this is the event that gets the voters to break out of that, but from the reactions thus far, no one is willing to accept responsibility. Hard to feel sorry for them.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 7:25 am to NC_Tigah
The more we learn, the more this disaster seems purposeful. The people in charge should be held criminally liable.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 7:26 am to Perfect Circle
The sad thing is that if you want to be 100% in on environmental causes first, fine. But you have to understand and prepare for those costs, which means additional labor and spending elsewhere.
Instead they went all in on environmental, then also went all in on budget cuts in relation to fire safety.
Instead they went all in on environmental, then also went all in on budget cuts in relation to fire safety.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 7:36 am to leeman101
I thought it was 11 months, but it’s amazing with the technology and construction of that era can be done that quickly.
The steel came out of Bethlehem Steel’s Pennsylvania plant and shipped to New York City, unloaded, and raised to the top of the building’s structure. The steel was still warm, even in the winter.
Rinse and repeat. Someone posted about the moon landing. I’m in awe about the Hoover Dam.
Coal fired power plants could be built in three years. I worked on the largest coal and nuclear plants built in five years, pre-Three Mile Island (3/1978).
Look at the cost and time to build Vogtle Units 3 and 4. Ridiculous.
All of us pay for this.
The steel came out of Bethlehem Steel’s Pennsylvania plant and shipped to New York City, unloaded, and raised to the top of the building’s structure. The steel was still warm, even in the winter.
Rinse and repeat. Someone posted about the moon landing. I’m in awe about the Hoover Dam.
Coal fired power plants could be built in three years. I worked on the largest coal and nuclear plants built in five years, pre-Three Mile Island (3/1978).
Look at the cost and time to build Vogtle Units 3 and 4. Ridiculous.
All of us pay for this.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 7:38 am to The Torch
quote:
Pacific Palisades Reservoir Has Been Offline/Empty for 11mos Awaiting A $130K Repair !!!
This is so California -
But they fact checked OMB!
Posted on 1/11/25 at 7:42 am to leeman101
quote:
Kennedy had them going to the moon by the end of the 60's.
Easier to do when you’re using it as a proxy weapon in the Cold War and got a de facto unlimited budget.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 7:47 am to NC_Tigah
Not to mention draining about $2 million worth of water into the ocean.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 7:49 am to NC_Tigah
DEI
Dims
Expressing
Idiocy
Dims
Expressing
Idiocy
Posted on 1/11/25 at 7:53 am to NC_Tigah
All this destruction.. the delta smelt are thriving tho
Posted on 1/11/25 at 8:05 am to NC_Tigah
Sounds about right
Not sure how Cali works but I have dealt with Louisiana bid laws.
Say a state agency needs a repair that exceeds to emergency repair threshold (used to be $50k) then they must take bids. You have to create a bid packet and there is a minimum period of advertisement of bid. 4-6 weeks. If a question come up from one of the bidders or the situation changes then an addendum is released by designers and now another two weeks from addendum to bid date.
Once the bids are received low bidder has 72hrs to make sure they didn’t have an error and withdraw their bid. The state could take a few weeks before awarding contract and issuing notice to proceed. Then they have to have a kickoff meeting. The bid packet will have the project duration, say 180 days from notice to proceed contractor will work on submittals of materials. Designer will review (has 2 weeks to return) if marked “revise and resubmit” due to rejecting then process starts over. Once approved submittal contractor can order materials. It can take weeks to months depending on what’s being ordered.
Once materials received then contractor can start scheduling manpower to work. Add in permitting and inspections it slows down the process even more.
Not sure how Cali works but I have dealt with Louisiana bid laws.
Say a state agency needs a repair that exceeds to emergency repair threshold (used to be $50k) then they must take bids. You have to create a bid packet and there is a minimum period of advertisement of bid. 4-6 weeks. If a question come up from one of the bidders or the situation changes then an addendum is released by designers and now another two weeks from addendum to bid date.
Once the bids are received low bidder has 72hrs to make sure they didn’t have an error and withdraw their bid. The state could take a few weeks before awarding contract and issuing notice to proceed. Then they have to have a kickoff meeting. The bid packet will have the project duration, say 180 days from notice to proceed contractor will work on submittals of materials. Designer will review (has 2 weeks to return) if marked “revise and resubmit” due to rejecting then process starts over. Once approved submittal contractor can order materials. It can take weeks to months depending on what’s being ordered.
Once materials received then contractor can start scheduling manpower to work. Add in permitting and inspections it slows down the process even more.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 8:06 am to NC_Tigah
But muh 5th largest economy!
Posted on 1/11/25 at 8:27 am to Honkus
quote:Yep. FWIW, there are two major aqueducts supplying Los Angeles: the Los Angeles Aqueduct & the California Aqueduct. The Los Angeles Aqueduct is under local control and unaffected by the "Delta Smelt Resiliency Strategy." The California Aqueduct's water supply is a different story. It falls under state control and has been affected by Delta Smelt conservation strategies. The California Aqueduct can provide water to the Palisades.
the delta smelt are thriving tho
Posted on 1/11/25 at 8:32 am to Scruffy
quote:
This country is retarded.
No one will make a call and act. If you do it by committee, no one is responsible.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 8:32 am to NC_Tigah
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It probably could’ve been done in house for $2,500-$5,000 (no idea what a new cover costs) and completed in a day or so.
quote:
This work should have been done in-house, and they shouldn't have depended on a contractor to do it," he said. "I truly believe it's something that could have been avoided."
• In November, the DWP finally signed off on a $130,000 repair contract
• The contracted Lakeside firm said they'd get to it in 2-3 months.
It probably could’ve been done in house for $2,500-$5,000 (no idea what a new cover costs) and completed in a day or so.
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