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re: The Anti Populist Crowd

Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:36 am to
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48448 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:36 am to
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I gave you your answer. Do the math and figure it out yourself this time. Do you want pictures?


can’t keep up with a simple yes or no question.

At least you tried. You didn’t even attempt an answer to the second question. It’s not your fault. Your limited intellect is to blame.
This post was edited on 4/28/24 at 10:38 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260924 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:38 am to
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can’t keep up with a simple yes or no question.


There is no yes or no.

If you spend more and cut taxes, you really havent cut taxes. You just prolonged them.

Trumps "tax cuts" were simply borrowing from the future

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Investors see a large debt as a tax increase on future generations. That's especially true if the ratio of debt-to-GDP is near 77%. That's the tipping point, according to a study by the World Bank, which found that every percentage point of debt above this level costs the country 0.017 of a percentage point in growth.14
World Bank Group. "Finding The Tipping Point: When Sovereign Debt Turns Bad."


The U.S. public debt-to-GDP ratio was 104% before the tax cuts.15 By 2019, it had risen to 107%, not including intragovernmental debt that's owed to Social Security and other federal agencies.
This post was edited on 4/28/24 at 10:42 am
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48448 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:42 am to
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There is no yes or no.


Of course there is, you just aren’t smart enough to wrap your head around it.

We know what the spending was. We know what the TCJA says. With all of that knowledge, do you support the section of the. TCJA that doubled the estate tax exemption? Yes or no.
This post was edited on 4/28/24 at 10:43 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260924 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:44 am to
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Of course there is,


No.

Tax cuts with no added debt, good.

Tax cuts with added debt, are not a tax cut in the long run. They just push the cost to other people.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48448 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:45 am to
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No. Tax cuts with no added debt, good. Tax cuts with added debt, are not a tax cut in the long run. They just push the cost to other people.


For a sixth time. It’s very simple. With your vast knowledge of the spending that has occurred since 2016….do you support the section of the 2017 TCJA that doubled the estate tax exemption? Yes or no?

It’s clear this one is too difficult for you. How about this. Should death be a taxable event? Yes or no?
This post was edited on 4/28/24 at 10:48 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260924 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:47 am to
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With your vast knowledge of the spending that has occurred since 2016…


You know the answer. If not, you need pictures.

Tax cuts that come on the back of the working class are bad.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48448 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:48 am to
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You know the answer. If not, you need pictures. Tax cuts that come on the back of the working class are bad.


There it is. You think wealthy people keeping their own money when someone dies is on the back of the working class!! So very conservative of you. It ALWAYS takes you a while, but you eventually show your true colors.


ETA: you’re a populist. The big bad rich exploit the working class!


It was too easy. Have a great day
This post was edited on 4/28/24 at 10:50 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260924 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:49 am to
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You think wealthy people keeping their own money
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No, goober.

I hated Donny' stimulus checks too. Do you know why?


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eventually show your true colors.


Exactly. Deficit spending to buy votes is wrong.
This post was edited on 4/28/24 at 10:50 am
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
4395 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:50 am to
I don't hate traditional conservatives. Here are my concerns.

They are far to into constant war. They are blind to the influence of the military industrial complex.

They have no concern over government/ corporate collusion and how it is used to undermine our freedoms.

They don't understand the difference between free enterprise and monopoly.

They have no conception of fair trade.

They care not about the loss of our industrial base.

They don't care if American Corporations are no longer American in any sense of the word.

They profit from illegal immigration and use it to suppress wages.

They profit from inflation.

They talk about deficits but then back establishment politicians that enable it.

They won't acknowledge that most corporations are Woke and have joined the other side.

That's just off the top of my head. They basically don't recognize the deep state, corporatocracy that we have become.

All the politicians doing anything to fight the attack on our country are either maga or libertarians.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48448 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:50 am to
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There it is. You think wealthy people keeping their own money when someone dies is on the back of the working class!! So very conservative of you. It ALWAYS takes you a while, but you eventually show your true colors. ETA: you’re a populist. The big bad rich exploit the working class! It was too easy. Have a great day


Your answer was very clear. I didn’t even need a picture.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260924 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:52 am to
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They won't acknowledge that most corporations are Woke and have joined the other side.


Then why the frick did you dumbass populists prop these woke corps up with tariffs paid by the working guy?

Y'all make no sense.

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They have no concern over government/ corporate collusion and how it is used to undermine our freedoms.


Again, tariffs. Good job with the cognitive dissonance.
This post was edited on 4/28/24 at 10:54 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260924 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:53 am to
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Your answer was very clear.


Do you know who Cathy Newman is?

You are her.

Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48448 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:57 am to
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46155 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:58 am to
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quote:Being a Nationalist/Populist doesn't mean you're a hardcore isolationist,

Being a populist means you support an activist, big government.


That's ^^^^ what it means to you.

The Nationalists/Populists I personally know and those I hear speaking on conservative news outlets (not Fox News) would cut the size of the federal government by a minimum of 50% in a 5-10 year period, returning power back to the state level. So maybe they're not Populists, I guess they're America First/MAGA......that's a good thing.

How do you like where the D.C. Uniparty Globalist System has taken the US over the past 40-50 years? Do you like it? I can tell you 100% Nationalism/Populism/America First isn't why the US is hurtling towards societal and economic implosion, but you know that. Dude you're either a Nationalist/Populist or you support the current shite show being foisted on the American people by the D.C. Uniparty.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260924 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:58 am to
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They are far to into constant war. They are blind to the influence of the military industrial complex.


Talk to your retard in chief.



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Since becoming president, Donald Trump has overseen historic increases in defense budgets, fawned over military equipment, installed a number of defense industry insiders in top Pentagon positions and made a major push to sell weapons overseas.

But on Monday, Trump said leaders at the Pentagon “want to do nothing but fight wars so that all of those wonderful companies that make the bombs and make the planes and make everything else stay happy.”

Trump’s backers compared his comments to those made by former President Dwight D. Eisenhower, who closed out his time in office by warning of a permanent national security apparatus that guaranteed money would keep flowing toward arms manufacturers.

Yet Trump’s record tells a different story. All three of his hand-picked defense secretaries had ties to the defense industry: Jim Mattis was a member of the General Dynamics board of directors, Pat Shanahan was an executive with Boeing, and Mark Esper was Raytheon’s top lobbyist. Mattis also returned to his board position shortly after leaving the Pentagon, showing the revolving door between industry and the Defense Department.

Nearly half of senior Defense Department officials are connected to military contractors, according to an analysis by the Project on Government Oversight.

But beyond personnel choices, Trump has made the purchase, public display and foreign sales of military hardware a major priority of his administration.

He has championed two defense budgets that blew past $700 billion, and is preparing to sign a third. The bill that Trump signed in 2018 locked in the largest budget the Pentagon had ever seen, only to top it the following year.

He also approved more than $55.6 billion in foreign weapons sales in fiscal 2018, his first complete fiscal year in office, compared to $33.6 billion in foreign military sales in fiscal 2016, the last year of the Obama administration.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260924 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:59 am to
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would cut the size of the federal government by a minimum of 50%


Thats not populism, nor is it MAGA.

Donny expanded the federal government. There is a major disconnect between Trump and his supporters.
This post was edited on 4/28/24 at 11:01 am
Posted by holdem Tiger
Member since Oct 2007
1063 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 11:07 am to
None of that is really true of conservatives. I’ll give you many republicans though.

You seem like you want to wield a great deal of govt power to “protect the people.” Other than border control, most of that would take care of itself with a limited govt.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
1163 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 11:08 am to
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Per Roger the USA has always been socialist.

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Your socialism comes from the propensity to cut taxes AND raise spending.



I don't embrace socialism at all. You claimed the USA was and has been socialist for it's entire existence until the conservative FDR switch us to "free Trade".


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Conservatives want low taxes, low spending


You mean like the founding fathers and those that followed them until your brand of conservatism took hold from FDR on.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260924 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 11:08 am to
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You seem like you want to wield a great deal of govt power to “protect the people.”


Which is why populism is normally relegated to far left economic cause.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
1163 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 11:08 am to
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Do you support the portion of 2017 TCJA that doubled the estate tax exemption? Yes or no?



And no answer.
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