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Trump admin proposes cutting NASA budget by 5 billion
Posted on 4/19/25 at 8:12 am
Posted on 4/19/25 at 8:12 am
From Grok -
Count me in as fully on board chopping climate change nonsense, as well as the woke agenda, masquerading as science. But I am curious as to why they need to cut back in astrophysics and atmospheric studies.
I am trying to ignore the hysteria and hype being put out by the academics over their loss of funding. Generally, I would be laughing. But there is some valid concerns here for those who want to see real & effective science done regarding space exploration.
Obviously, Trump won’t get everything he’s asking for. And as a master negotiator, he realizes that from the very start. He’s asking for more than he believes he wants or can get. But this will leave an unsettling impression. Why go after serious astrophysics and planetary exploration?
I can see opponents taking both sides of this. Either it helps Elon - government spends more money doing things he wants to do, or it gets in his way. It’s a catch 22 for those who have massive TDS and just want him to fail.
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Critically, the rationale for these cuts—especially targeting climate and astrophysics—appears shortsighted when considering NASA’s contributions to global scientific leadership and practical applications like weather forecasting and disaster preparedness. The focus on human exploration, while ambitious, risks undermining decades of progress in understanding Earth and the cosmos, potentially ceding ground to competitors like China.
Count me in as fully on board chopping climate change nonsense, as well as the woke agenda, masquerading as science. But I am curious as to why they need to cut back in astrophysics and atmospheric studies.
I am trying to ignore the hysteria and hype being put out by the academics over their loss of funding. Generally, I would be laughing. But there is some valid concerns here for those who want to see real & effective science done regarding space exploration.
Obviously, Trump won’t get everything he’s asking for. And as a master negotiator, he realizes that from the very start. He’s asking for more than he believes he wants or can get. But this will leave an unsettling impression. Why go after serious astrophysics and planetary exploration?
I can see opponents taking both sides of this. Either it helps Elon - government spends more money doing things he wants to do, or it gets in his way. It’s a catch 22 for those who have massive TDS and just want him to fail.
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Posted on 4/19/25 at 8:16 am to SouthEasternKaiju
Deop it altogether and contract it out to Space X.
They've proven they can do it better and more efficiently. That would be a better use of tax dollars.
They've proven they can do it better and more efficiently. That would be a better use of tax dollars.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 8:21 am to lake chuck fan
The problem with that is that down the line the pendulum swings the other direction, we will get a more socialist president in place that either nationalizes spaceX or does what Biden did which is regulate them to a standstill.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 8:31 am to lake chuck fan
Either the Left claims Trump is defunding NASA for the direct benefit of SpaceX, to help Elon and repaying him with political favors, OR taxpayer money is being spent on stuff specific to Elon, so he doesn't have to sink his own resources into it, but can reap the benefits because it's public funding.
And astrophysics does benefit all of humanity, not just Americans. Elon's real life-time goals aren't beyond our own solar system. So why even suggest cutting projects designed (and damn near already completed) to study deep space?
Especially if he's cutting 100's of billions from USAID and other areas?
And astrophysics does benefit all of humanity, not just Americans. Elon's real life-time goals aren't beyond our own solar system. So why even suggest cutting projects designed (and damn near already completed) to study deep space?
Especially if he's cutting 100's of billions from USAID and other areas?
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 8:32 am
Posted on 4/19/25 at 8:35 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Why go after serious astrophysics and planetary exploration?
Because there are other private companies who do a much better job of it. It’s a waste of money to be pouring loads of money into an inferior space agency.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 8:37 am to Stuckinthe90s
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The problem with that is that down the line the pendulum swings the other direction, we will get a more socialist president in place that either nationalizes spaceX or does what Biden did which is regulate them to a standstill.
Let's be chickenshit and do nothing! That is the way.
The Left will never stop doing whatever the frick they want whenever the frick they can no matter what the Right does.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 8:40 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Elon's real life-time goals aren't beyond our own solar system
ANYTHING that NASA has planned or is studying or any future goals can be done better and more efficiently by Elon. Period.
As far as whatever projects you mention, let em finish those. Or, better yet, roll that over into Space X and let em work together but Elon would manage it.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 8:48 am to SUB
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Because there are other private companies who do a much better job of it. It’s a waste of money to be pouring loads of money into an inferior space agency.
NASA, like the Military, does contract out with private companies to build things and put payloads into space.
The James Webb Space Telescope, for example.
- ... was built by Northrop Grumman, under contract with NASA, with contributions from the European Space Agency (ESA) and the Canadian Space Agency (CSA). Key partners included Ball Aerospace, L3Harris Technologies, and various international institutions for instruments like NIRCam, NIRSpec, MIRI, and FGS/NIRISS.
- ... was launched into space on an Ariane 5 ECA rocket, provided by the European Space Agency (ESA). The launch took place on December 25, 2021, from the Guiana Space Centre in Kourou, French Guiana.
And maybe a more focused approach is needed as more players are appearing on the board. But there's money already spent for some big projects that will be scrapped if Trump's admin gets everything they want. Why not see those through, and sundown others which aren't due for years down the line?
Posted on 4/19/25 at 8:54 am to lake chuck fan
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ANYTHING that NASA has planned or is studying or any future goals can be done better and more efficiently by Elon. Period.
I'd concede that, but not EVERYTHING. Point is, no ONE body can do everything. NASA can focus on missions to build a moon base, for example, and I'd say it's a smart thing to NOT include China or anyone else for that matter.
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As far as whatever projects you mention, let em finish those. Or, better yet, roll that over into Space X and let em work together but Elon would manage it.
See, that's the sort of thing the Left would cry bloody murder over, even though if it were a Dem in the White House, they'd praise how smart and efficient such a move would be. They are utterly hypocritical.
But back on point, which we seem to agree, cut out the climate change stuff, the WOKE trash, but carry on with what's 90% done already.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 11:44 am to SouthEasternKaiju
The contracting out to a dozen companies makes sense at face value, with the argument "they are the only ones and the experts". Until you realize those contractors were sweetheart deals.
Give it to Musk and let him figure out who needs to be "contracted".
Second, that agency is riff with nonsense. Here in Trinidad I see NASA tshirts all the time. Im certain it must be some DEI initiative to reach out to the 3rd world. Goodness knows how many million they gave out across the world and some brother in law made a fortune.
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The James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) experienced significant delays and cost overruns during its development, ultimately being launched 14 years later than originally planned and costing over $10 billion, far exceeding its initial $500 million estimate. These issues arose from a combination of technical challenges, unforeseen complexity, and project management problems.
Give it to Musk and let him figure out who needs to be "contracted".
Second, that agency is riff with nonsense. Here in Trinidad I see NASA tshirts all the time. Im certain it must be some DEI initiative to reach out to the 3rd world. Goodness knows how many million they gave out across the world and some brother in law made a fortune.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 11:57 am to trinidadtiger
No one should forget what Obama's main mission for NASA was...
Make Muslim nations feel good about their contributions to science. So of course it'd be on brand for NASA to play that game as a matter of standard practice.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 12:00 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
NASA hasn’t accomplished anything worth remembering since 1969.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 12:08 pm to lake chuck fan
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ANYTHING that NASA has planned or is studying or any future goals can be done better and more efficiently by Elon. Period.
As far as whatever projects you mention, let em finish those. Or, better yet, roll that over into Space X and let em work together but Elon would manage it.
How much of NASA's budget, or how much of its funding, do you think already winds up in the private sector?
Posted on 4/19/25 at 12:10 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Make Muslim nations feel good about their contributions to science
Ancient Arabs and Persians made tremendous contributions in math and architecture and metallurgy and medicine. One could argue that they invented the higher maths. But that all came to a screeching fricking halt with the rise of Islam. Arab and Persian scholars were among the first victims of Islam.
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 4/19/25 at 12:12 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
Cut it
NASA has become little more than a jobs program …. to be fought over by congressional members that want to bring home the bacon for their constituents . Jobs in exchange for budget votes.
Like most government programs, it has grown well beyond its core mission.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 12:18 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
Drop in the bucket for a "Space" agency whose mission re-assignment for the last 20 years has been the focus on so-called monitoring of "Global Warming" and "Climate".
Grok: NASA’s contributions to global scientific leadership and practical applications like weather forecasting and disaster preparedness.
Bingo.
Because maybe the Universities and independent meteorologist can do that stuff. For far less $$.I'd like to see this agency or ANY agency monitor Atmospheric Chemical Aerosols and Bill Gates' mission to block out the sun.
Truth is, NASA has been obsolete and inert as a "Space Agency" since 1972, playing nothing but cutesy dress-up for space shuttle-theater. But yet will still be tapping Uncle Sam for $10B per year instead of the usual $15B?
Logic asks: Then why is SpaceX doing what NASA is contracted to do? Seems redundant and expensive -- if not un-necessary to begin.
Grok: NASA’s contributions to global scientific leadership and practical applications like weather forecasting and disaster preparedness.
quote:
Count me in as fully on board chopping climate change nonsense, as well as the woke agenda, masquerading as science.
Bingo.
quote:
I am curious as to why they need to cut back in astrophysics and atmospheric studies.
Because maybe the Universities and independent meteorologist can do that stuff. For far less $$.I'd like to see this agency or ANY agency monitor Atmospheric Chemical Aerosols and Bill Gates' mission to block out the sun.
Truth is, NASA has been obsolete and inert as a "Space Agency" since 1972, playing nothing but cutesy dress-up for space shuttle-theater. But yet will still be tapping Uncle Sam for $10B per year instead of the usual $15B?
Logic asks: Then why is SpaceX doing what NASA is contracted to do? Seems redundant and expensive -- if not un-necessary to begin.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 12:20 pm to EphesianArmor
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Logic asks: Then why is SpaceX doing what NASA is contracted to do? Seems redundant and expensive -- if not un-necessary to begin.
What government (NASA) contracts is SpaceX currently working on?
Posted on 4/19/25 at 12:25 pm to LegendInMyMind
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What government (NASA) contracts is SpaceX currently working on?
Don't know. Is it routine NASA or SpaceX practice to post mission projects on the docket to the public?
Posted on 4/19/25 at 12:27 pm to EphesianArmor
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Don't know. Is it routine NASA or SpaceX practice to post mission projects on the docket to the public?
Awarded contracts are posted all the time.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 1:34 pm to JackieTreehorn
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NASA hasn’t accomplished anything worth remembering since 1969.
So I guess Apollos 13-17, Skylab, ASTP, Shuttle, etc. were not worth remembering?
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