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We have the most natural ports of any country in the world, and we squander them
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:43 pm
I was looking around the coast for alternate ports, and boy do we have a ton of natural harbors. We’re ate up with them, especially along the gulf. Even Mexico has a decent number of harbors, though they’re smaller and less usable.
However, to take traffic off of Long Beach or Los Angeles, you have few options.
To start with: Mexico.
Mexico has a grand total of 3 container ports on the west coast: Manzanillo, Salina Cruz, and Lazaro Cardenas. None of them are large, maybe 3-4 berths in the largest and the other two appear to be single berth. For comparison, Long Beach has 80.
The problem with Mexico is you’re in Mexico. Trucking is dangerous, and you’re going straight through cartel territory.
So go around to the Gulf. Starting with Texas.
Most of the port facilities in the gulf are built for O&G or Ro-Ro, not containers. Galveston Bay has several container terminals, I counted what looked like around 10-12 berths or more for containers.
Corpus was notably smaller. Just a couple.
Florida is a harbor heaven but when the governor says for ships to come, I don’t know where the hell they’ll go. Almost no container port facilities to speak of, except in Miami which has around 9-10. Tampa bay has a dream harbor, but is almost exclusively pleasurecraft marinas. I don’t see Florida being able to handle a fraction of what goes through Long Beach and LA.
Once you go up the coast, you see a bit more, but it’s a long way.
However, to take traffic off of Long Beach or Los Angeles, you have few options.
To start with: Mexico.
Mexico has a grand total of 3 container ports on the west coast: Manzanillo, Salina Cruz, and Lazaro Cardenas. None of them are large, maybe 3-4 berths in the largest and the other two appear to be single berth. For comparison, Long Beach has 80.
The problem with Mexico is you’re in Mexico. Trucking is dangerous, and you’re going straight through cartel territory.
So go around to the Gulf. Starting with Texas.
Most of the port facilities in the gulf are built for O&G or Ro-Ro, not containers. Galveston Bay has several container terminals, I counted what looked like around 10-12 berths or more for containers.
Corpus was notably smaller. Just a couple.
Florida is a harbor heaven but when the governor says for ships to come, I don’t know where the hell they’ll go. Almost no container port facilities to speak of, except in Miami which has around 9-10. Tampa bay has a dream harbor, but is almost exclusively pleasurecraft marinas. I don’t see Florida being able to handle a fraction of what goes through Long Beach and LA.
Once you go up the coast, you see a bit more, but it’s a long way.
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Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:45 pm to cokebottleag
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:47 pm to cokebottleag
You forgot Tacoma , Seattle, Oakland.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:48 pm to cokebottleag
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Jacksonville is Florida’s No. 1 container port complex by volume, offering worldwide cargo service aboard the world’s major shipping alliances with direct service to Asia, Europe, Africa, South America, the Caribbean and other key markets.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:48 pm to cokebottleag
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Most of the port facilities in the gulf are built for O&G or Ro-Ro, not containers. Galveston Bay has several container terminals, I counted what looked like around 10-12 berths or more for containers.
New Orleans handles containers. I’m sure JBE and Latoya are working ALL the angles to get more ship traffic here.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 9:21 pm to cokebottleag
My understanding is that getting the ships docked and unloaded isn't the problem. It's that there aren't enough trucks to haul the containers away from the docks once they're unloaded.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 9:22 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Mobile.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 9:36 pm to cokebottleag
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Most of the port facilities in the gulf are built for O&G or Ro-Ro, not containers. Galveston Bay has several container terminals, I counted what looked like around 10-12 berths or more for containers.
This is the big problem. The gulf coast handles grain and energy shipping. The west coast ports handle lots of containers from Asia. They can’t be interchanged easily.
Top 20 ports
Posted on 10/13/21 at 9:42 pm to Tantal
quote:Causing this severe bottleneck to where workers that work the ships, ports (which include crane operators and ground crew getting the imports physically out of the cargo boxes), and obviously getting that to the trucks. And now you dont have anywhere to put all the cargo because it’s at max capacity. It’s fricking up so many businesses right now including where I work. Everything is on backorder and getting delayed and delayed again and delayed again.
My understanding is that getting the ships docked and unloaded isn't the problem. It's that there aren't enough trucks to haul the containers away from the docks once they're unloaded.
And now the talk of the gas tax which further drives up prices on top of the disaster we currently have.
Edit: Oh and truck drivers would rather not have to drive through California. That should be noted as well. Especially through LA which has one of the biggest ports.
This post was edited on 10/13/21 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:46 pm to Y.A. Tittle
How quickly can we get all the crew members vaccinated and "masked up yall"?
Posted on 10/13/21 at 11:18 pm to cokebottleag
More and more freight is being routed into TX but the chassis shortage in HOU is causing major problems not only at Barbours Cut and Bayport but also at the rails in Wilmer, LaPorte and Wylie. The Cali ports are a mess of course as are SAV and NY/NJ. Owner Ops used to pull anywhere from ten to a dozen boxes a day from the terminals there but due to the long wait times now they’re lucky if they can get out 4. Jacksonville and Miami have a HUGE opportunity to see larger volumes shift their way but they are also facing labor and equipment shortages. The Port of NOLA hosted Port Night at the Peabody two weeks ago here in Memphis and they are expecting to see increases on both the import and export side once they finish dredging and the larger TEU ships can make it their port of call. The ports are a mess on an aggregate level that’s never been seen before but it’s still a really exciting time for the Port of New Orleans.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 12:19 am to cokebottleag
quote:You needn't look far. Immediately adjacent is the Port of LA. POLA is the largest/busiest port in the nation. Then, up the coast is the Port of Oakland. It is the 9th largest port in the US and currently has no backlog. Further north is the Seattle-Tacoma Port. It is the 5th largest in the US, and with no backlog.
I was looking around the coast for alternate ports
Posted on 10/14/21 at 12:23 am to cokebottleag
quote:Savannah and NY/NJ handle cargo on the East Coast.
Florida is a harbor heaven but when the governor says for ships to come, I don’t know where the hell they’ll go. Almost no container port facilities to speak of, except in Miami which has around 9-10. Tampa bay has a dream harbor, but is almost exclusively pleasurecraft marinas. I don’t see Florida being able to handle a fraction of what goes through Long Beach and LA.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 12:28 am to cokebottleag
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Tampa bay has a dream harbor, but is almost exclusively pleasurecraft marinas.
Tampa handles plenty of commercial traffic. As well as shipbuilding and repair. Problem is, there are only so many ports in the world that can handle 20,000 TEU container ships and Tampa ain’t one of them
Posted on 10/14/21 at 12:51 am to cokebottleag
Is there anything on these ships some old retired dude from Deplorable, AR, gives one frick about?
I'm sure there must be, but honestly, I buy groceries, cigs, and beer. That's pretty much it.
I'm sure there must be, but honestly, I buy groceries, cigs, and beer. That's pretty much it.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 6:22 am to Y.A. Tittle
Pilot's Association would see a bonanza.
In all seriousness this supply chain fiasco is ridiculous. No reason this should happen. Politician heads need to roll for this....figuratively of course...literally would be preferrable.
In all seriousness this supply chain fiasco is ridiculous. No reason this should happen. Politician heads need to roll for this....figuratively of course...literally would be preferrable.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 6:31 am to KiwiHead
The biggest issue is labor, IMO rebranding as “supply chain” is political damage control.
Sure there’s supply chain issues, but it’s because there’s no workers.
Sure there’s supply chain issues, but it’s because there’s no workers.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 6:38 am to LSUfan20005
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Sure there’s supply chain issues, but it’s because there’s no workers.
They can solve the labor shortage pretty easily, they can pay more and get people to work, but if you have more people, you need more equipment (forklifts, pallet jacks, etc..), that stuff isn't available. If you hire more people, they would just be standing around.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 6:55 am to auggie
It’s a shortage vs historical norms, not a net increase. People left the workplace during the pandemic and many never came back.
I’m in manufacturing and we are paying a shite ton more, but we still have idle lines due to understaffing. And warehouses have the same issues.
I’m in manufacturing and we are paying a shite ton more, but we still have idle lines due to understaffing. And warehouses have the same issues.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 7:04 am to cokebottleag
We squander a lot.
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