re: 56% of GOP voters want govt to pay more in monthly SS benefits/medicare

1- Where were the fiscal conservatives from the 40s on? No where. Which is why this looks like it does:



2- The answer is a return to PRE FDR on how we fund the federal Gov. That is to reduce taxes on businesses and the people and use excise tax and tariffs to pay for the federal Gov. OR a blend of it.

3- End the myth of free trade. There is no such thing. You will not find a nation that is willing to have zero trade barriers. Only the USA Citizen is suppose to be ok with the wealth redistribution from the USA to friggin communist nations.

4- The survey shows that people want THEIR money that they were REQUIRED to pay in. Nothing wrong with that. They didn't ask the Federal Gov to be bat shite crazy.


5- 2033 isn't going to end it. It will automatically reduce the amount paid out.

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Meanwhile, interest on the debt (which we are largely incurring due to ss and Medicare) is now the 2nd largest expenditure.

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Not true Medicare and SS are flawed programs, but as of right now Congress has not borrowed any money to fund them. Congress has borrowed money from them to spend on other things, like border security in Europe and the Middle East and teaching Chinese Prostitutes how to have safe sex.

The crises in the Social Security Trust Fund will simply be that in 2033 ish, Congress won't be able to borrow and spend from that trust fund because they will have exhausted it, which may ignite a spending crises.

The other crises will be the mass turnover in Congress if they don't pay SS benefits.

I don't know the exact value of current Federal land holdings, but it would seem that it is very high and that we could sell it for economic development and solve at least some of these problems.

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Why not welfare?

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Why not all subsidies/tax cuts/welfare?

I’m bout it. Are you?

If uncle sam had that 175 billion in hand right now (instead of washing it through Ukraine) would you rather them fund SS or give it to Ukraine?

They are so wasteful with our money now, why should we just surrender more to them?

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I don't know the exact value of current Federal land holdings, but it would seem that it is very high and that we could sell it for economic development and solve at least some of these problems.

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The Federal govt own approximately 500 million acres of land and 270K office buildings w/ roughly 2.8B SF.

Yes, most of the land consists of national parks, but A LOT of their commercial real estate portfolio is unused.

its cute that you think the dems are the only ones spending our money and robbing the SS trust. Govt is the problem and govt is run by both parties.

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This is a very antiquated view of what social security is.

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While you're not wrong, I would go further and say that it's a bullshite view of what social security is.

Social Security is an entitlement, just like any other entitlement. Qualified recipients get benefits from the taxes that other people paid in. The SCOTUS already ruled it an entitlement.

The, "But it's MY money that I paid in," is just the marketing brochure that the government used back in 1936 to sell the program to the public.

Anybody who still believes that is a rube.

But most people who say that really don't believe it...they just want to have their cake and eat it too, so they say it.

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It is an entitlement because your average recipient takes out far more than they put in.

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Depends on how you look at it. SS works by totaling how much you how much you made of the top 35 years of your life and then indexing those earnings to inflation.

Then SS plugs that figure into a formula that give the lowest earners 90% of what they paid in, adjusted for inflation, up to a certain amount (<$1000) then the middle earners get 32% of the next chunk of their inflation adjusted earnings up to another break point and then the highest earners get 15% of the amount over that second break point.

So, obviously, higher earners are getting a raw deal, and, since inflation has historically been much less than investment returns, the return on SS absolutely sucks. If Congress had just mandated that Special Issue treasury bills that the SS Trust Fund buys generate a minimum real return, there would probably be a much smaller problem in our future.

From the beginning, the SS Trust Fund has been a way for Congress to spend more money doing the obviously important work of paying for a national cowboy convention in Nevada every year, teach shrimp how to run on a treadmill, and furthering the Tranny agenda.

When 2033 gets here, Congress will just have to spend the money to fund SS. They are really already doing that, but it might make them borrow less, but probably we will get a democrat by then who will just mint the $1,000,000,000,000 coins.

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SS payments have not kept up with inflation at all the past few years.

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They are literally indexed to CPI