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re: $34 TRILLION of DEBT must be fake. Not a damn soul in DC seems to worry at all about it

Posted on 4/20/24 at 4:31 pm to
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 4/20/24 at 4:31 pm to
Debt service is like taking a crap on a bear trap.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
11834 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 4:59 pm to
$34 trill today isn’t worth near what $34 trillion was worth before Biden took office……
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
60784 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 5:04 pm to
Everyone talks about the national debt.

Everyone mentions how much of the federal government budget is merely servicing that debt.

No one asks enough questions about who those debt payments are actually going to.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
11270 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 5:10 pm to
Option A) global currency reset
Option B) world war

There is no option C.

Debt service will force us to take option within the next 5-10 years assuming we don’t lose reserve currency status before that in which case we will have to choose immediately.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 4/20/24 at 5:12 pm to
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34 TRILLION of DEBT must be fake. Not a damn soul in DC seems to worry at all about it



Makes one wonder why they talk about SS being insolvent soon. How so when you can simply print more money?
This post was edited on 4/20/24 at 5:12 pm
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
4464 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 5:12 pm to
They will use the military before they lose it. In 30 years America will be like Russia in the 90's.

Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11589 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 5:20 pm to
$34.67T right now.
We add $1T every 100 days, roughly.
We hit $34T first week of January.
We'll be at $35T around May 1st.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 4/20/24 at 5:21 pm to
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Makes one wonder why they talk about SS being insolvent soon. How so when you can simply print more money?



SS is not insolvent.

It was/is stolen to pay for more war, i.e., forked over to military industrial complex companies/multinationals.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/20/24 at 5:23 pm to
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I get what you are saying but it is actually just money “borrowed “. It’s closer to 100 trillion when factoring in obligations outwards

Technically, if we assume that we never crash, it's infinite, because I imagine that figure relies on future SS/Medicare payments, right?

This is why SS/Medicare have to be the first focus.
Posted by loogaroo
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Posted on 4/20/24 at 5:26 pm to
Every congressman...

Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
424110 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 5:27 pm to
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Every congressman...

Talk about decreasing SS payments and you'll see plenty of voters (From Leftists to the most hardcore Patriots) mimic the same gif
Posted by Samso
nyc
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 4/20/24 at 5:39 pm to
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Talk about decreasing SS payments and you'll see plenty of voters (From Leftists to the most hardcore Patriots) mimic the same gif


Has proposing SS/Medicaid cuts ever been attempted before on a national stage by a serious person - historically? Something like what Frank Underwood did in house of cards.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
68407 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 5:42 pm to
I hear that we add a trillion about every hundred days.


I don't see how we pay the interest on that.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/20/24 at 6:00 pm to
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Has proposing SS/Medicaid cuts ever been attempted before on a national stage by a serious person

No, because it's political suicide to even mention slight adjustments (like the age you start receiving the welfare).

Trump even attacked RDS on this very issue earlier this year.





Now compare those Trump comments to these right wingers





Oh, and this is the inception

Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56773 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 6:06 pm to
They are certain that they will be fine (even richer and more powerful) when it all goes down.
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
16305 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 6:07 pm to
I honestly don't know what will happen. I know too much debt can cripple countries and cause severe destabilization. But... our empire is the biggest in the history of the world. Our presence is in almost every existing country. And on every ocean.

With our empire expanding over most of the world.. I somewhat feel that when our economy does get utterly destroyed and everything collapses, the fallout will only be brief before a new currency and system is put in place.. that is basically the same as the current one. Don't quote me on that. This is just hillbilly thinking based on how massive and all encompassing our empire is.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/20/24 at 6:11 pm to
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With our empire expanding over most of the world.. I somewhat feel that when our economy does get utterly destroyed and everything collapses, the fallout will only be brief before a new currency and system is put in place.. that is basically the same as the current one. Don't quote me on that. This is just hillbilly thinking based on how massive and all encompassing our empire is.


If we fall, like legit fall, everyone comes down with us in a cloud of chaos.

There is no country even close to taking over as a hegemon, especially for the long term.

There is no currency close to replacing USD. The Euro is the #2 option and Europe's backbone is the USA.

People like to compare today to when the British Empire was collapsing, but that was done over a period of time and was nipped in the bud with 2 World Wars. There was also not one, but two options ready in wait to replace it (USA and USSR). There is no USA or USSR on the horizon.
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
4464 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 6:11 pm to
As Ron Paul once said, they will inflate the dollar
It's will be the old regressive inflation tax.

Tax the poor and middle class effectively.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57425 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 6:55 pm to
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Makes one wonder why they talk about SS being insolvent soon. How so when you can simply print more money?

The problem is SS payouts are tied to CoL. Pri ting money just means benefits go up.

It’s going to take cuts—which is about the only thing that will get an incumbent primaried. Not happening
This post was edited on 4/20/24 at 6:56 pm
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57425 posts
Posted on 4/20/24 at 6:58 pm to
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Every congressman...

If I had $1 every time someone on here said “but it’s my money!” about SS… I’d be as rich as Chicken.
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