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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:21 am to Soggymoss
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:21 am to Soggymoss
quote:
Cavs: Ingram, Okongwu, Daniels
Hawks: Mitchell, Nance
Pels: Murray, Hunter, Allen #1 pick
I feel like that's pushing alot and Atlanta might not move the #1 pick.
Hawks:
Brandon Ingram
Larry Nance
Cavs:
Onyeka Okongowu
EJ Lidell
Pels:
Trae Young
Jarrett Allen
This does essentially the same thing without the headaches of Atlanta attaching #1 and us attaching Dyson. Worst case scenario we would have add 1-2 of our future 1sts which we shouldn't think twice.
I don't understand the CJ + Trae crowd. We arent forced to play them together for 40min a game. This gives us more packages. We also have Herb/ Jose/ Dyson to pair with CJ/ Trae/ Hawk. Not sure where all the defense panic comes from.
The biggest issue is rebounding/ defense in the paint. This solves that.
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 3:06 pm
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Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:25 am to teke184
Just looking at highlights and stats I'm wondering if there's a signifitcant difference between Garland and CJ? I know Garland averages more assists, but their Ast:TO ratio is pretty similar. Sure he's younger, but what does he add that the Pels don't already have or would be losing with BI going out in a trade? Can he actually run an offense in crunch time?
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:31 am to TigerinATL
quote:So Garland turns it over more than CJ?
Just looking at highlights and stats I'm wondering if there's a signifitcant difference between Garland and CJ? I know Garland averages more assists, but their Ast:TO ratio is pretty similar
We better start saying prayers for Garland if that's the case, Pels Talk posters won't take kindly to that!
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:32 am to teke184
quote:
Is the tier separation at the top high enough for the Wiz to move up a spot to ensure they get their guy?
By all accounts its Sarr and then everyone else, how much more is Sarr than everyone else I don’t know, but Wiz could definitely use a big man
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:35 am to Dantheman504
quote:
I feel like that's pushing alot and Atlanta might not move the #1 pick.
If Atlanta is looking at Mitchell like is rumored right now, they wouldn’t have a choice, that’s the only way they’re getting Mitchell.
They’re definitely not going to beat other teams packages using 2028 and 2030 picks, which is the only ones they have available to trade.
What you proposed is simply not realistic, we are not getting Trae and Allen for BI and Nance, we would have to add 4-6 picks to that
Eta: Then you have these reports which pretty much tells you #1 pick is VERY low on value compared to #1 in other drafts
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Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:36 am to TigerinATL
I really don’t want Garland, he is overpaid and IMO overrated. He shouldn’t be anything more than a salary filler for Cleveland right now
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:43 am to Soggymoss
To put this into focus… what was our pick was used to draft Harris at like 18th the year he came out.
That’s a hell of a drop in talent this year.
That’s a hell of a drop in talent this year.
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 9:44 am
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:48 am to Soggymoss
quote:
He shouldn’t be anything more than a salary filler for Cleveland right now
This is a little overstating
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:52 am to CP3forMVP
If he were on a Murray type deal at 20ish million a year, then yes it would be.
At 40 million a year he has no value
At 40 million a year he has no value
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:59 am to Soggymoss
Use Garland to get Murray then
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:02 am to 50_Tiger
quote:
Use Garland to get Murray then
Atlanta would laugh at you for proposing this
Trae and Garland together would be a disaster
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 10:03 am
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:04 am to Soggymoss
quote:
At 40 million a year he has no value
No value is a little strong, but yes you are correct that his value is greatly diminished with that contract. Him on Murray’s contract would be a no-brainer.
Would we really be that much better off paying Garland $164 million the next 4 years over paying CJ $63 million the next two?
Based on contracts and cost of acquisition, for me I’d rank them:
Murray
Garland
Trae
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:14 am to Fun Bunch
I'll throw out a crappy trade for a team that hasn't been mentioned since i love farting around with the trade machine.
The Charlotte Hornets bring BI back to his home state, and absorb half his salary since they have cap space.
Pelicans get Grant Williams, Nick Richards, #6 and '27 1st (Dal or Miami) , '28 protected 1st from Charlotte.
Pelicans send Larry to Nets for a S&T for Claxton
Draft Stephon Castle at #6. I think he has the most upside to become a star, and his floor is super high b/c of his defense and facilitation on offense.
This trade goes against everythign i've said recently about going after a star, but i'd consider it a decent consolation prize.
If, and this is why i hate this trade b/c it's based on hope, but if Castle is a legit PG with great defense, then we have all the assets we need to move CJ and even Herb to go get the perimeter star we need.
The Suns are going to run it back b/c they have no other choices since they have no draft picks. If they aren't a 50+ win team with ease, then they are going to make some massive changes at the deadline. No one is going to give them anything for Bradley Beal and his 15% trade kicker and a guy who can't stay on the court and his numbers have declined the last 5 years. So which one you want to give up, KD or Booker?
We could send them CJ and some firsts for KD, and then work with another team to take some salary to make it work and get PHX under the 2nd tax apron.
Speaking of the tax apron, the Clippers have to get under the 2nd apron next year or they will fall into the 3 out of 5 years clause which means the next time they actually have a 1st round pick in the draft, it automatically becomes the last pick, and they also can't trade their 1st 7 years out.
The Harden/PG/Kawhi stint hasn't worked out. Either Harden or PG aren't resigning with them this offseason. It's impossible for them to stay under the 2nd apron if all 3 come back at $50M+/yr. Even if they keep one of PG or Harden at $50M, they are still $20M from the 2nd apron and only have 11 players on the roster, so whichever one they sent out in a S&T they could only take back $20M so that team needs $30M in cap space or has to dumb salary to a 3rd team. They have no firsts to trade.
There's a good chance one of them gets simply let go to sign as an UFA. I think they'll get more return for PG in a S&T, as i don't know who would want Harden at $50M/yr for 2 or 3 more years at age 35.
We could send them BI/Naji and take back PG, while also sending Tucker to the Nets for them so we can S&T Claxton. We'd then need to move CJ to clear some salary space. Could send him to the Magic for Suggs since Bunchie loves Suggs so much.
Suggs/Herb/PG/Zion/Claxton with Trey in the closing lineup instead of Claxton. I'd like that. Good luck scoring on that team.
The Charlotte Hornets bring BI back to his home state, and absorb half his salary since they have cap space.
Pelicans get Grant Williams, Nick Richards, #6 and '27 1st (Dal or Miami) , '28 protected 1st from Charlotte.
Pelicans send Larry to Nets for a S&T for Claxton
Draft Stephon Castle at #6. I think he has the most upside to become a star, and his floor is super high b/c of his defense and facilitation on offense.
This trade goes against everythign i've said recently about going after a star, but i'd consider it a decent consolation prize.
If, and this is why i hate this trade b/c it's based on hope, but if Castle is a legit PG with great defense, then we have all the assets we need to move CJ and even Herb to go get the perimeter star we need.
The Suns are going to run it back b/c they have no other choices since they have no draft picks. If they aren't a 50+ win team with ease, then they are going to make some massive changes at the deadline. No one is going to give them anything for Bradley Beal and his 15% trade kicker and a guy who can't stay on the court and his numbers have declined the last 5 years. So which one you want to give up, KD or Booker?
We could send them CJ and some firsts for KD, and then work with another team to take some salary to make it work and get PHX under the 2nd tax apron.
Speaking of the tax apron, the Clippers have to get under the 2nd apron next year or they will fall into the 3 out of 5 years clause which means the next time they actually have a 1st round pick in the draft, it automatically becomes the last pick, and they also can't trade their 1st 7 years out.
The Harden/PG/Kawhi stint hasn't worked out. Either Harden or PG aren't resigning with them this offseason. It's impossible for them to stay under the 2nd apron if all 3 come back at $50M+/yr. Even if they keep one of PG or Harden at $50M, they are still $20M from the 2nd apron and only have 11 players on the roster, so whichever one they sent out in a S&T they could only take back $20M so that team needs $30M in cap space or has to dumb salary to a 3rd team. They have no firsts to trade.
There's a good chance one of them gets simply let go to sign as an UFA. I think they'll get more return for PG in a S&T, as i don't know who would want Harden at $50M/yr for 2 or 3 more years at age 35.
We could send them BI/Naji and take back PG, while also sending Tucker to the Nets for them so we can S&T Claxton. We'd then need to move CJ to clear some salary space. Could send him to the Magic for Suggs since Bunchie loves Suggs so much.
Suggs/Herb/PG/Zion/Claxton with Trey in the closing lineup instead of Claxton. I'd like that. Good luck scoring on that team.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:24 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:You're killing me, Teddy!!!
This trade goes against everythign i've said recently about going after a star, but i'd consider it a decent consolation prize.
That's all I was thinking reading the trade details
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:33 am to shel311
Yeah I'm tired of the depth trades. I'd rather get that 2nd star and have a lighter bench. We saw what happens in the playoffs when you tried to use depth vs quality starters
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:51 am to shel311
i'm really interested to see what the Clippers and Suns do.
They really have no options, and they aren't going to keep being 2nd apron teams to not come close to winning anything.
I really don't thnk Harden or PG are resigning there. Maybe Harden if he takes a discount.
If Harden took 3/$125M, then we could send them BI, Dyson, JRE, EJ for PG.
They could send Tucker to the Hornets and Powell to the Nets.
We send Larry to Hornets for Richards.
Nets send Claxton to us in a S&T, and a future lottery protected 1st to Hornets for helping Clippers get under the 2nd apron.
Clippers would be $10M under the 2nd apron with 13 on the roster, and hell if the season wasn't going well they could send out Mann to someone for just a minimum back and be under the tax altogether.
They really have no options, and they aren't going to keep being 2nd apron teams to not come close to winning anything.
I really don't thnk Harden or PG are resigning there. Maybe Harden if he takes a discount.
If Harden took 3/$125M, then we could send them BI, Dyson, JRE, EJ for PG.
They could send Tucker to the Hornets and Powell to the Nets.
We send Larry to Hornets for Richards.
Nets send Claxton to us in a S&T, and a future lottery protected 1st to Hornets for helping Clippers get under the 2nd apron.
Clippers would be $10M under the 2nd apron with 13 on the roster, and hell if the season wasn't going well they could send out Mann to someone for just a minimum back and be under the tax altogether.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 11:00 am to TeddyPadillac
Suns were mentioned to shop their picks and were also look at trading Nurkic and Little.
I think Clippers will just resign their guys and get fans hyped for their new arena. I think both are resigning for sure. They’re a competitive playoff team and reside in LA. No other team will give Harden minutes like clippers do. PG might flirt with other teams as leverage but he’ll be back. The allure of LA for a lot of these guys is a big deal.
I think Clippers will just resign their guys and get fans hyped for their new arena. I think both are resigning for sure. They’re a competitive playoff team and reside in LA. No other team will give Harden minutes like clippers do. PG might flirt with other teams as leverage but he’ll be back. The allure of LA for a lot of these guys is a big deal.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 11:21 am to Pels_Yaz
As i said, if both come back, they literally cannot do anything to help their team get better but sign minimum contracts.
and it means they'll be a second apron team for the 3rd straight year, with a massive tax payout and the restrictions of their 1st round pick moving to last (whenver they actually have one), all they can pretty much do trade wise is send someone out and take back less money, and they don't have any picks of any kind to trade b/c the 2nd apron comes with not being able to trade a 1st 7 years out.
PJ Tucker has a player option for $11.5M, and his 40 year old arse ain't opting out of it, and he does not want to be there and they don't want him. They can't dump him anywhere unless they attach Powell or Mann to it, and it would need to be to a team with cap space.
Do they really believe the current rostered team can win a championship, and are willing to pay the ridiculous repeater tax again, as well as the other restrictions they'll get?
I think they want to bring back PG and hope they can do a S&T for Harden, but i honestly don't know who wants him for the salary he's going to want. The teams with space that are good like the 76ers and Magic don't want Harden. They want PG. There's no way the young teams with cap space sign him like Detroit, Utah, or the Spurs. So who's trading for him that would sign him to a big deal and send back some salary? The only team I can think of is the Bulls, and that means Lavine needs to go somewhere else.
If Harden stays with the Clippers, it'll be for more like $35-40M/yr, not $50.
and it means they'll be a second apron team for the 3rd straight year, with a massive tax payout and the restrictions of their 1st round pick moving to last (whenver they actually have one), all they can pretty much do trade wise is send someone out and take back less money, and they don't have any picks of any kind to trade b/c the 2nd apron comes with not being able to trade a 1st 7 years out.
PJ Tucker has a player option for $11.5M, and his 40 year old arse ain't opting out of it, and he does not want to be there and they don't want him. They can't dump him anywhere unless they attach Powell or Mann to it, and it would need to be to a team with cap space.
Do they really believe the current rostered team can win a championship, and are willing to pay the ridiculous repeater tax again, as well as the other restrictions they'll get?
I think they want to bring back PG and hope they can do a S&T for Harden, but i honestly don't know who wants him for the salary he's going to want. The teams with space that are good like the 76ers and Magic don't want Harden. They want PG. There's no way the young teams with cap space sign him like Detroit, Utah, or the Spurs. So who's trading for him that would sign him to a big deal and send back some salary? The only team I can think of is the Bulls, and that means Lavine needs to go somewhere else.
If Harden stays with the Clippers, it'll be for more like $35-40M/yr, not $50.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 3:11 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
Pelicans get Grant Williams, Nick Richards, #6 and '27 1st (Dal or Miami) , '28 protected 1st from Charlotte.
So you are going to
- Trade BI
-Take back (2) players. (1) that won't be maximized and (1) that isn't moving the needle
- Leave all (3) of Miles Bridges/ Brandon Miller/Lamelo off the table AND give them BI?
What the frick
Posted on 5/16/24 at 3:13 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
Pelicans get Grant Williams, Nick Richards, #6 and '27 1st (Dal or Miami) , '28 protected 1st from Charlotte.
at you for heaping scorn against my Wiz trade when Deni will be better than every player in this 
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