re: Let's say you make the Trae/Center move...is trading CJ a "must"?

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Trae has shot the Hawks into games... he's also shot them out of games.

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I mean you can say this about any NBA star. He takes a lot of 3s, hits big shots- isn’t this what we been begging for offensively next to Zion? Again defensively understand the concerns; offensively seems like exactly what we need next to Zion.

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He takes a lot of 3s,

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And hits at career 35% clip. That's not good for someone that takes a lot of threes and the exact opposite of what we need with Zion. We need a #2 who has shown he can play off ball and be ready to catch and shoot. The idea is point-Zion right?

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And hits at career 35% clip. That's not good for someone that takes a lot of threes and the exact opposite of what we need with Zion.

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Ok come on man, we both know he’s a deadly 3 pt shooter. Defenses shift their whole defensive coverage because of him.

I don’t know why people think its a bad thing to have two players who can intiate the offense? Several teams have this- just look at the Mavericks.

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we both know he’s a deadly 3 pt shooter.

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I don't know this

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Also let's not forget what this thread was originally asking. Essentially, the thought process is giving up CJ and BI while asking Trae to cover that production. That's as impossible ask.

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You also need to remember that the point of giving them both up, is so that Trey can start.
You aren't asking Trae to fill CJ and BI's absence. You're asking Trae and Trey to fill their absence, and I like the Trae/Trey better. I also expect Hawkins to take Trey's 3 point role off the bench.

If BI nets you Trae, and CJ nets you Jarrett Allen, we are a significantly better team.

You guys do know that Trae shot 38% from 3 this year?
and he is pretty regularly around 38% on C&S 3's for his career.

It's the dumb pull up 3's that drag his average down at times.



He does only shoot 35% from 3 in the 4th quarter for most of his career.

You know who's shot over 40% from 3 in the 4th quarter the last 2 years. Coby White.
There aren't many guys who shoot near or over 40% from 3 in the 4th that are asked to create their own shots.
Trey Murphy has, but Trey is taking C&S 3's.

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And you think he's just going to stop doing that?

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He must of done that enough this year considering his pull up 3 % is higher this past year than it usually is.
I'll admit i don't watch Trae often enough to know what's making the difference, but he's always been a great C&S 3 point shooter.
Last 5 years:
38.9% C&S (2.0 attempts) - 37.3% Pull ups (6 attempts)
37% C&S (1.3 attempts) - 32.7% Pull ups (5 attempts)
48.1% C&S (1.0 attempts) - 37% Pull ups (6.9 attempts)
37.3% C&S (1.3 attempts) - 33.5% Pull ups (4.9 attempts)
46.6% C&S (1.7 attempts) - 33.5% Pull ups (7.7 attempts)

The 2nd and 4th lines there are the years he shot under 36% from 3 overall, the other 3 years are over 36%.
He's also never played with someone as dominant as Zion. He might be a lot more accepting of taking more C&S 3's with Zion on the court b/c he respects him as a great player more than he does anyone else he's played with.

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This isn't 2K, it will take at least one season and some of a second season for that to work. And it's not a given that it ever will.

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Yeah but this applies to most stars coming in to play with Zion. It will take time. And nothing is ever a given. I mean can you name me a star these things wouldn’t be an issue with?

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I just don't see how a dude who has been the guy everywhere he has been since high school will suddenly be ok being relegated to #2. This isn't 2K

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That's not something that has never happened before though. We've seen this.

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it will take at least one season and some of a second season for that to work.

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Same would go for any other good player that isn't Trae. Plus, I don't see the path where we make enough moves to be a legit title contender next season, so if it takes 1 year to then maximize the team, that's fine.

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And it's not a given that it ever will.

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True

I think being a small market team you have to swing for the fences and get the best guy possible if you can. Sure, it's the "hope for the best" strategy, but again, if we don't get the best player, we're kind of doing the same thing...hoping for the best with a team we know is just not good enough.

I'd also argue that Trae Young is more of a star in name than in production.

He was a huge name coming out of college and has the highlight gene where he can hit the Curry-range 3's, so that gives him some clout in the highlight packages on TV and social media... but unlike prime Curry, there are inefficiencies in his 3pt game. He's shown that he's not a #1 on a contender and, while we have no idea if he can be a #2 on a contender, his current tendencies say probably not.