re: 4 year long study on Wegovy/semaglutide shows heart benefits and safety

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The hate stems from societal stigma around obesity and psychological conditioning to believe obesity is strictly an issue of lacking will power. This has fueled a culture of fat shaming(which actually has made it harder to fight the disease large scale). It’s due to internalization and feeling a certain way about themselves and inadequacies. Then they lash out a spit venom. Very standard projection. The GLP-1s are accomplishing something that all the fad diets, “move more eat less” campaigns, and societal fat shaming couldn’t accomplish. Broad scale success in fighting the disease of obesity. Let me put it another way. It is providing more years of life to those that take it. It is improving the quality of life of those that take it. It lowers other risk factors like the linked article discussed. It hurts nobody, which is amazing considering how triggered so many people get over this. What is even more amazing is that it appears to help break many addiction chains due to how the reward center in the brain responds. Gambling. Alcoholism. Smoking. Nail biting. And so on. You would think this is something everyone could get behind, but sadly no. Our society is still largely driven by antiquated thinking.

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Yeah I don’t get the vitriol. I am not taking these meds nor will I likely ever have to. If it’s helping someone get a jumpstart on being healthy I’m not going to sit here on my throne of adequate daily activity and diet and throw stones. The inherent need to be right and better than on the internet is a fricking plague.

Enjoy shitting your bed and destroying your large intestine. Big pharma is on your side….yep

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But it’s obvious that is not what is afflicting most people.

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Incorrect. The hormonal imbalance is the root cause driver behind the majority of cases of people with the disease of obesity. Fix the root cause, and the symptoms of the disease subside.

Now, there are compounding issues further down the line. The availability of calorie dense foods has become more and more a driver, but it isn’t the root cause. If patients don’t have the food noise and satiation is achieved with less food intake and faster, the availability of calorie dense foods wouldn’t cause symptoms of the disease of obesity. The regulatory process in the body is the root cause.

I’ll avoid the rabbit holes and keep on point. However, for the record, there are plenty of compounding issues. One of them is our food supply and the lack of financial access to healthy whole foods

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BawtHouse

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bro.... :bow:...you should stick around more, you saved me tons of post this morning by owning these dumbasses.

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Obese people losing weight improves their cardiovascular health -- doesn't that go without saying?

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Not just obese, but most weights, normal and overweight also. What was failed to mention in the OP post was the most important finding in this trial, and was that they found Cardiovascular benefit without weight loss.

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Incorrect. The hormonal imbalance is the root cause driver behind the majority of cases of people with the disease of obesity.

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Oh, it’s not the fact that they shovel 5k calories into their gullet everyday?

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I’m sure the side effect will be cancer after about 10 years of use.

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Y’all realize that these drugs have been used in some form or another for longer than some posters here have been alive, right? And yet, none of these “predictions” have been noted in patients who used them.

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It is providing more years of life to those that take it.

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Not so fast buddy. These magic drugs haven’t been around long enough to prove this or the opposite.

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It’s the result of poor self control, laziness, lack of pride, gluttony, and a myriad of of other negative traits.

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Nothing in the thread demonstrates the challenge that obese people have or the judgement they face more than this one. Obesity ALWAYS and UNIQUELY among the medical issues has to be framed as a MORAL failing. Even when the science is there about hormonal deficiencies that shows that a high percentage of people never feel satiated due to a specific hormonal deficiency that can now be addressed, people still want to shame the obese with moralistic lectures.

We now have a medication that quells the noise ( that’s what is happening folks) caused by a specific hormone they are lacking and allowing these people to eat normally, exercise more, look better, have more confidence, engage the world with more vigor and optimism, stop taking their other medications, avoid that heart stent, avoid dying 15 years early because they have diabetes and they are still being told they should face the “ contempt” of others.

The resistance to these medications on “ moral grounds” lol are silly. We should be talking about legitimate side effects and leave the moralizing to internet grifters and Muslim clerics.

FTR, taking this medication has been a life saver for me and my hereditary esophageal issues that were ruining my quality of life. Having to puke every time I take a bite of solid food is a real drag . Being satiated on a protein shake and being able to function at a high level on half the calories is just the blessing my GI tract needed and keeps me out of the emergency room and GI office. The more ya know…