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re: Seen any wildlife agents hiding in your bushes lately?

Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:33 am to
Posted by LSUBFA83
Member since May 2012
3383 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:33 am to
I didn't realize Open Field Doctrine was a thing. Now I'm pissed.
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
19331 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:42 am to
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TiL that I have no reasonable expectation to privacy on my own property.

Not with Mr Green Jeans you don't. Those bastards don't even need a warrant to start searching your property.

It's ridiculous.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 6:48 am
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
117743 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:50 am to
Bunch of cases challenging it in several states. Reading summaries and the unbelievably crazy shite GW’s have and done and testified to under oath, you get the feeling the two most important characteristics of a GW are that the ability to stalk and obsess like a teenage girl that just got her license and a crack habit.
Posted by Dixie2023
Member since Mar 2023
1577 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:04 am to
It would be a shame if one got shot bc someone thought it was game they were hunting. They obviously need to do better with camo and hiding.
Posted by zippyputt
Member since Jul 2005
5802 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:20 am to
State laws vary it appears:

LINK

I couldn’t find anything on Louisiana in a quick search. I’m sure there is something out there.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
21995 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:25 am to
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creating ridiculous laws like throw cushions
Thats the feds, not state wildlife and fisheries agencies. If you don’t like the law saying you need a throwable aboard your boat, your gripe is with the Coast Guard since that’s who sets most boating regulations.

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and fishing/hunting licenses.
You should lookup Dingell-Johnson and Pittman-Robertson acts. Federal excise taxes on fishing, hunting, and firearms equipment that’s a dedicated revenue stream for conservation and wildlife management. Part of how the funds get allocated state by state is the number of paid license holders per state and the state has to put up matching funds (which come from license sales).
Posted by dtett
Jiggacity
Member since Oct 2018
520 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:38 am to
Purple paint means nothing to Mr. Green Jeans. Open Field doctrine trumps your purple trees.
Posted by Bullfrog
Institutionalized but Unevaluated
Member since Jul 2010
56466 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:44 am to
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revenue stream for conservation and wildlife management
And still the taxes on my boat gas go to the highway dept. It’s a serious oversight.
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
97743 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:45 am to
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No way in hell that will happen. Thats how many law enforcement management types have a retirement.


Especially not in Louisiana with our boot licker governor
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
21995 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:56 am to
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And still the taxes on my boat gas go to the highway dept. It’s a serious oversight.
Buy gas at the marina if you want to donate to conservation
Posted by bbarras85
Member since Jul 2021
2008 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:58 am to
most of the egregious law breakers become game wardens. I can't stand these mfers!!!!
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
18486 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 8:01 am to
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It not 1932 anymore where you can plunder the resource with impunity and nobody will ever know or care. If they do think someone is breaking the law then perform a proper investigation like every other LEO has to and hammer them. It doesn't mean they can take a shite on everybody else's constitutional rights because of a few bad apples, no more than the DEA should be able to.


Institutions with power exercise that power. They will always find ways to oppress those they believe are “under them.”

Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
30308 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 8:08 am to
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Thats how many law enforcement management types have a retirement.


Please explain this to this ignorant. Do they take your property under the law and not give it back? Like guns or property?

I just want to understand.
Posted by Bigfishchoupique
Member since Jul 2017
8498 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 8:24 am to
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Please explain this to this ignorant. Do they take your property under the law and not give it back? Like guns or property?



Any property used in the commission of the crime is subject to seizure.

Boat, guns, trucks, gear, etc. No. They don’t give it back if you are guilty. I have never heard of land being seized.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 8:25 am
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
26766 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 8:38 am to
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The State guys would only stop at the camp to drink coffee and eat.


This....

We became good friends with the local warden... Dude never harassed or given us any issues ever. He knew we were on the up and up. But as far as the idiots a few camps down from us, he busted all the time. Hunting over the limit, after hours and without plugs.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 8:39 am
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90945 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:34 am to
Game wardens have been the biggest abusers of rights for a long time now.


If it’s public land they can do what they want but there needs to be restrictions on entering private land. Sit on the public road and stop hunters to check them for licenses and game limits when they leave the property but entering private property and videoing hunters should require probable cause and a warrant.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119594 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:36 am to
How is that legal? Or safe?
Posted by Oneforthemoney
New Iberia, La
Member since Dec 2013
1812 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:33 am to
Put booby traps on property.
Posted by 6R12
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2005
8761 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:10 am to
I read this whole thread and very little discussion of poachers. They are real. I have them come on my property and poach. Cameras all over my property showing the poachers climbing fences. Hate to see them take their guns and truck away but it's a crazy way to learn a valuable lesson. I'll gladly let game wardens come hide and wait for you to poach and lose your stuff when you come poach on my property. When you own property, you don't want the poachers there at all. Remember 30 years ago the guys who had killed something like 300 grobecks? The agents got them and they served time. Somebody who catches 3 fish too many is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about those who poach and steal your stuff on our property. Wardens can take their stuff while committing crimes on my property. Perspective if you own a lot of acres.
Posted by mudshuvl05
Member since Nov 2023
730 posts
Posted on 5/15/24 at 1:27 pm to
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I read this whole thread and very little discussion of poachers. They are real. I have them come on my property and poach. Cameras all over my property showing the poachers climbing fences. Hate to see them take their guns and truck away but it's a crazy way to learn a valuable lesson. I'll gladly let game wardens come hide and wait for you to poach and lose your stuff when you come poach on my property. When you own property, you don't want the poachers there at all. Remember 30 years ago the guys who had killed something like 300 grobecks? The agents got them and they served time. Somebody who catches 3 fish too many is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about those who poach and steal your stuff on our property. Wardens can take their stuff while committing crimes on my property. Perspective if you own a lot of acres.
I own plenty. Still doesn't negate the fact that game wardens shouldn't be able to piss on the bill of rights because some shitbag poacher is going to do poacher things. A bad apple here and there doesn't trump constitutional rights. Period. End of story.

I've turned in many poachers and given reports of poaching, and most conservationists I know will do the same. A poacher is a thief with a gun, and more often than not they're poaching on land where game and fish isn't pressured, so the hunting is easier. That's why poachers get passed off as being, "good at hunting," when all they're really doing is being the first man on maw maw's 130 acre lot where the game isn't privy to pressure. If that's the case and game wardens think it to be so, then contact the landowner and setup shop.

That doesn't mean they also have the right to drive across a mile of my property and check my deep freezer to make sure I don't have more than the allotted fish filets allowed by law. They don't have a right to enter a food plot miles back in property because they feel like checking my blackpowder rifle is really blackpowder and blow up my hunt because of some bullshite, unconstitutional open fields doctrine. They can go ham on public land, but stay off my property unless you've got a warrant.

What gets me about game wardens, and this is a universally accepted experience by pretty much everyone I've talked within my area of Mississippi, is that you can have video/photo evidence, you can have all they need to start an investigation, and more often then not they'll "muh, I've got to catch them, not you," and move on with business of shitting on 4th amendment rights. They're lazy in that respect, and I don't know if it's ego, or they just don't want to do it the way other LEO has to because they don't have to, or both.

Bust all the poachers you want, but get a fricking warrant or permission, and leave the law abiding citizens out of it.
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