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Seismic’ changes are coming to college athletics, not entirely for the better

Posted on 5/18/24 at 12:19 pm
Posted by ragincajun03
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 12:19 pm
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Possibly as early as next week, college athletics could change forever.

The catalysts are three lawsuits against the NCAA and power conferences that are expected to be settled, with the NCAA owing $2.8 billion in damages, according to reporting by Yahoo Sports’ Ross Dellenger. The NCAA and conference leaders likely will agree to terms, as the potential losses if the cases go to trial could be a staggering $20 billion.

Part of the settlement also stipulates that athletes at power-conference schools can be paid directly by the schools themselves. It’s the biggest step taken in the steady advances that have been made in allowing athletes to receive more of college athletics’ enormous revenue pie, following the expansion of scholarships and legislation allowing athletes to be paid for the use of their name, image and likeness, among other changes.

Power-conference schools will be able to annually earmark about $21 million to directly compensate athletes, likely starting in the fall of 2025. Traditionally presented as a level of competition distinguished by amateur athletes playing for love of school, college athletics will be beyond question a professional entity.

“This is a seismic shift in college athletics,” ACC commissioner Jim Phillips told media at the conference’s spring meetings this week in Amelia Island, Florida. “It’s not a matter of if; it’s going to happen. It’s happening now.”

In many ways, it is progress. Particularly since football and basketball coaches began drawing multimillion-dollar salaries and conferences started raking in literal billions for their TV rights, the call for athletes – the ones playing in the games that draw the eyeballs and sell the tickets and jerseys – to receive their share has become increasingly difficult to ignore, not to mention refute.


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There’s another side to this upheaval, though. By the terms of the settlement, as reported by Dellenger, the power-conference schools (including Georgia and Georgia Tech) will be able to offer their athletes up to $21 million annually on top of their scholarships.

Some athletic departments, such as Georgia, are better positioned to absorb that additional cost. In fiscal year 2023, the UGA athletic association declared $210 million in revenues and $187 million in expenses, clearing $23 million.

Others face a crisis. In the same 2023 fiscal year, the Tech athletic association generated $134 million in revenues while spending $132 million, which for Tech represented an unusually successful year in the ledger.

But the obstacles don’t end there. As part of the settlement, according to Yahoo Sports, the NCAA will offer $1 million to $2 million less per school in annual distributions for the next 10 years as part of damages owed to athletes for usage of their name, image and likeness before the NCAA made NIL payments legal in 2021.

Further, another part of the settlement will remove the NCAA’s scholarship limits for each sport. For instance, Division I baseball teams are allowed 11.7 scholarships, which can be broken up and spread across the roster. By terms of the settlement, roster limits will be set for each sport, and schools will be able to offer as many scholarships as they’d like.

That means if the baseball roster max is set at 30, teams can offer 30 full scholarships. That’s nearly a threefold increase in scholarship cost.

Schools won’t be required to add scholarships and also don’t have to use all of the $21 million marked for payments. But the implication is pretty obvious. Schools that have the resources to offer more scholarships will be more competitive than the ones that can’t.

And, for good measure, remember that TV rights payouts for the SEC and Big Ten continue to climb, while the ACC and Big 12 lag. The gap figures to grow only wider.

Particularly for schools with less, something will have to give to meet the new payroll demands, which presumably will go mostly to football and men’s basketball athletes.

That could mean non-revenue sports programs being cut, athletic department staffs being reduced or services to athletes, such as training or academic support, being reduced, or a combination.


Regarding the likelihood of sports programs being cut, “I think you’re going to see some of that happen, for sure,” an FBS-level athletic director told the AJC.


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And, the settlement does not address the access that athletes will have to the transfer portal, although it conceivably could be part of the contracts made between schools and athletes.

It’s true that this will only certify what has been happening all along. There always have been athletes with their eyes on the pros, boosters making under-the-table payments and coaches who claimed that their teams were families in one breath and bolted for a new team and a bigger contract the next.


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What use is there for any G5s/mid majors to even try to compete in football and men’s basketball anymore at this point?

And as far as the lawsuit payments, P5s need to shoulder that hit. Ball State and North Texas weren’t raking in huge amount of cash off of their athletes.
Posted by TackySweater
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 12:22 pm to
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What use is there for any G5s/mid majors to even try to compete in football and men’s basketball anymore at this point?
Wonder if we start to see a shift where smaller schools that may not have any realistic chance to keep up in football, go all in on say basketball or baseball etc.
This post was edited on 5/18/24 at 12:23 pm
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 12:28 pm to
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Wonder if we start to see a shift where smaller schools that may not have any realistic chance to keep up in football, go all in on say basketball or baseball etc.


I used to get pissed at the USL/UL administration for just sitting “comfortable” in football, wanting to be lazy when I knew it we actually put forth real effort, we could at least be half-arse relevant. Then the Napier years proved some of us right.

But that was before this new era, where I just as soon see us now revert back to previous years where we just spend the minimum on football and play two big money body bag games a year. Then invest our real resources into baseball, softball and track & field.
Posted by TigerintheNO
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 12:28 pm to
That's going to make SEC baseball even stronger
Posted by ragincajun03
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 12:31 pm to
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That's going to make SEC baseball even stronger


It will. They’ll be able to really stack rosters. Programs like LSU won’t have to worry about playing the TOPS and then pay for books and meals with a half scholarship type game.
Posted by msutiger
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 12:31 pm to
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That's going to make SEC baseball even stronger


Eh with NIL, the 11.7 was pretty much done anyway
This post was edited on 5/18/24 at 12:32 pm
Posted by High C
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 12:32 pm to
I’m not familiar with the details of Title IX, but I wonder if schools will be forced to earmark half of that $21M for female athletes. If not, will the ladies attempt their own lawsuit to attempt to force it?
Posted by ReauxlTide222
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 12:32 pm to
In a just world we would be allowed to publicly execute rich pieces of shite who throw their power around and ruin shite for the rest of us solely in the name of making more money.
Posted by Ghost of Colby
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 12:41 pm to
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Yahoo Sports’ Ross Dellenger.

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reported by Dellenger

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according to Yahoo Sports


Atlanta Journal-Constitution pulled whole paragraphs of facts and quotes from Dellenger’s report, sprinkled in their a little of their own opinions and spin, and then repackaged it as AJC’s groundbreaking seismic report on the future of college athletics.
Posted by TROLA
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 12:48 pm to
It’ll be interesting to see the players union potentially throw the future guys under the bus to increase their pay scale while sacrificing the rookies scales. No need to pay them the big money when they’re coming in millionaires The owners would love to have cheaper rookies and more flexibility
Posted by chinese58
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Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 12:50 pm to
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Wonder if we start to see a shift where smaller schools that may not have any realistic chance to keep up in football, go all in on say basketball or baseball etc.
Or they just drop down a level in football and quit trying to be P5 conference members. Plenty of them spent all of the money they made from playing P5's on facilities. They thought they'd need them at the next level, but maybe they'll help them when recruiting against similar programs.

Hopefully we see the group of whatever teams play in more regional conferences, the way they did in the 70's and 80's.They can have real rivals and the fans can make more road trips. If you played in a truly regional conference, like the old Southland used to be, you could probably see every one of your teams games at home & away.

I think these were the members in the mid-80's:

Arkansas State
Louisiana Tech
NLU
North Texas
ULL
UT Arlington
Lamar
McNeese
Nicholls
Northwestern State
Southeastern Louisiana
This post was edited on 5/18/24 at 12:52 pm
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 12:55 pm to
It's sad bc yall just upgraded your cute lil football stadium too
Posted by skullhawk
My house
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 12:56 pm to
Whats the $21 million figure based on?
Posted by NukemVol
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 12:57 pm to
The only thing I see wrong with this is that there's a cap at all. They will get sued again for limiting it to $21M. Unless that's collectively bargained for, it's illegal to limit pay with a salary cap.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 1:04 pm to
Let's do away with major college sports. Let's call it the National Association of Minor League Athletics wherein the Universities as host schools provide zero support for football and basketball athletes in regards to scholarship opportunities and Athletes are treated as if they're just another student responsible for their tuition, fees, tutoring, and academic standing.


Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
21457 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 1:40 pm to
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Let's call it the National Association of Minor League Athletics wherein the Universities as host schools provide zero support for football and basketball athletes in regards to scholarship opportunities and Athletes are treated as if they're just another student responsible for their tuition, fees, tutoring, and academic standing.


I could get on board with that. No Prop 48 or whatever for admissions. Same GPA and SAT scrutiny that Johnny Bravo has to meet in order to gain admissions into the school. Fork over your own money for tuition, since obviously you can afford it with NIL.
This post was edited on 5/18/24 at 4:04 pm
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
30913 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 1:43 pm to
I only hope I'm alive when it all collapses but I'm sure there are enough dweebs out there who will keep watching/supporting no matter how much they are perpetually shat upon.

Unfortunately those responsible will have already made their money at that point anyway.

The whole thing just sucks.
This post was edited on 5/18/24 at 1:45 pm
Posted by RunningJacket
Member since Dec 2008
257 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 2:17 pm to
Rarely does it turn out how you think. For instance, this idea that now an a,ready powerhouse in baseball is going to become even more of a powerhouse just won’t happen because players want playing time. It’s why we see studs using the portal now. If a LSU already has a stud shortstop they next stud will take the money from another school who has an opening. We’ve already seen how schools like Bama and UGA have been robbed of their depth because a school no longer owns a player for 4 years. If a stud isn’t treated like the king with playing time he’s gonna leave. I’ve said this before, but my team, GT, has more 4 stars on our roster today than ever in history and it’s all due to the portal + playing time. If it wasn’t for the portal these guys would still be in the 3 deep at all the big boy schools they signed with. How many pitchers will want to sit while they wait their turn? Not many.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 2:22 pm to
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For instance, Division I baseball teams are allowed 11.7 scholarships, which can be broken up and spread across the roster. By terms of the settlement, roster limits will be set for each sport, and schools will be able to offer as many scholarships as they’d like.


LSU baseball staaaaaaacked.
Posted by Eighteen
Member since Dec 2006
34008 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 2:54 pm to
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Part of the settlement also stipulates that athletes at power-conference schools can be paid directly by the schools themselves.


Can confirm I’ve heard the same

For everyone who has been complaining that LSU is “behind in NIL”, it’s because they have been preparing for this major shift which is going to make the “Bayoun Traditions” type collectives obsolete very quickly

College sports are going to be a sad state very soon for the have nots. No clue how all of this plays out, but the NCAA really fricked all of this up
This post was edited on 5/18/24 at 2:55 pm
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