re: Trey: At the end of the day it’s not about money

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This is like wondering why Ant Edwards makes less than Bradley Beal…they aren’t in the same contract situation.

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Jones and Murphy came from the same draft class. Jones has massively outperformed him (Jones is a finalist for DPOY). They play the same position and role. Murphy is more than likely going to be his back up. But you want to pay Murphy more than double on the hope that he becomes a 20+ppg bench player as the 4th or 5th option?

Just because he can be paid that much doesn't mean we have to be the ones to give it to him. He's a good player, possibly a solid starter as a specialist. I just wouldn't give him a big deal and make him a top 3 guy on my squad. Guys like him are valuable, on rookie deals. Not so great when they cash in..

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Jones and Murphy came from the same draft class. Jones has massively outperformed him (Jones is a finalist for DPOY). They play the same position and role. Murphy is more than likely going to be his back up. But you want to pay Murphy more than double on the hope that he becomes a 20+ppg bench player as the 4th or 5th option?

Just because he can be paid that much doesn't mean we have to be the ones to give it to him. He's a good player, possibly a solid starter as a specialist. I just wouldn't give him a big deal and make him a top 3 guy on my squad. Guys like him are valuable, on rookie deals. Not so great when they cash in..

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Lets make a deal, if Trey signs a contract valued less than Herb, I wont post here until September (and I love my damn Summer League Threads). However, if he DOES sign a contract valued more than Herbs, you dont post here until October.

I am sure Murphy gets more. I just wouldn't give it to him. I don't think he's earned it or will be worth it in the future. All these scenarios include diminishing or benching Jones. I'm not for that.

Project the team into next season-

PG- need a massive upgrade and Alvarado

SG- McCollum, Hawkins and Daniels

SF- Jones, Murphy, Marshall (once Ingrams traded)

PF- Zion, need a back-up

C- Val, need a back-up

So where is Murphy playing and starting? This is after trading Ingram. Are you benching Jones or playing McCollum at PG again, which killed our team? These are the tough choices that have to be made..

This isn't complicated.

There's already the precedent with PJ Washington as well as Cam Johnson, two very similar players to Trey.


Cam got 4/$95, making $25M in year 1 which was almost 19% of the cap.
Cam is a career 39% 3 point shooter through 5 years, and is a better shooter and defender than PJ.
PJ got 3/$46M, making $16M in year 1 which was 12% of the cap.
PJ's shooting has been going down since his first 3 years where he was at 38% from 3. He was 35% last year, and 32% this year.

Trey is a lot closer to Cam than he is PJ.

19% of the cap is $26M/yr for the first year.
4/$105 is about the most Trey should be getting.

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Jones and Murphy came from the same draft class. Jones has massively outperformed him (Jones is a finalist for DPOY). They play the same position and role. Murphy is more than likely going to be his back up. But you want to pay Murphy more than double on the hope that he becomes a 20+ppg bench player as the 4th or 5th option? Just because he can be paid that much doesn't mean we have to be the ones to give it to him. He's a good player, possibly a solid starter as a specialist. I just wouldn't give him a big deal and make him a top 3 guy on my squad. Guys like him are valuable, on rookie deals. Not so great when they cash in..

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Sometimes I can’t tell if you’re intentionally obtuse about this shite or you just don’t watch/follow other NBA teams and understand the league as a whole.

Multiple people ITT have told you that Herb is not a good salary comparable because his specific contract situation within the CBA fricked him on this contact, yet you keep comparing the two players.

Herb, like Trey, is a 25 million dollar (and more) NBA player in today’s NBA. He is not capped by the CBA in the same way Herb was, so Trey will make an appropriate amount.

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Multiple people ITT have told you that Herb is not a good salary comparable because his specific contract situation within the CBA fricked him on this contact, yet you keep comparing the two players.

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I compare the two because they play the same position and are in direct competition with one another. I'd rather keep Jones, on the cheaper deal, than extend Murphy to push Jones out of the lineup. IMO, it's one or the other. Neither one is a two guard and both are too light to play the 4. The only way to keep/play them both, is for one to play out of position at SG, plus we then have to trade away both Ingram and McCollum to ensure they both have a spot.

Great players want to start, make big money, put up good numbers and win. All in that order. So who are you benching? Cause they are forcing their way out by mid-season.

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Herb, like Trey, is a 25 million dollar (and more) NBA player in today’s NBA. He is not capped by the CBA in the same way Herb was, so Trey will make an appropriate amount.

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Jones took a bad deal. It's true. I'd love to tear it up and give him something more fair. He's a franchise cornerstone.

I don't know where or how you derive the value for Murphy. People are worth what others are willing to pay them. I'm sure he could get the 25M/year. I wouldn't give it to him. He's not proved it yet and he's not a starter for this team.

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Pay him, he’s our 2nd best player going forward

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Our roster is in trouble if he's we open next season and he's our second best player.

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That doesn’t sound like the type of guy that will try to bend the team over a barrel and say max or nothing

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I am sure his agent does not agree.

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25 million is not alot when his max would be closer to 40 million and there’s guys that cannot initiate that’s making max money

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What has he shown though to even mention the max?

I’d offer him 4 years $80 million. That honestly a fair contract for his first deal. $20 million per year is a win-win for both player and team for where he’s at as a player.