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Posted on 4/8/22 at 10:35 pm to wareaglepete
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the issues coming in the future will not just be with outing Lumon, but the innies deciding they want the life of the outie. I really think in the future there will be internal battles. We already see it in Helly. If Helly could turn on the OTC permanently and end Helena's life, she would do it in a second.
Could this be what happened in the coup?
If the coup even actually happened.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 7:43 am to Othello
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It seems like maybe the Lumon employees are all dead (except for maybe Helly) and for some sick reason Lumon is keeping them alive inside the building.
They’ve already shown them all outside of the building though. I really want to know what that testing floor is. If they sent Burt there after his retirement wouldn’t his outie be gone also?
Posted on 4/9/22 at 8:38 am to lostinbr
quote:But if she's severed, she doesn't know that.
Remember the girl who introduced Helly is the same girl that fired Cobel
Posted on 4/9/22 at 7:44 pm to coolpapaboze
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But if she's severed, she doesn't know that.
I don’t know why we would assume she’s severed. She outranks Cobel, and Cobel isn’t severed as far as we know.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 8:45 pm to lostinbr
She’s not severed. I don’t think any of the supervisor types are.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 10:16 pm to OysterPoBoy
Man, that was brilliant TV
Posted on 4/9/22 at 10:23 pm to lostinbr
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and Cobel isn’t severed as far as we know.
It’s pretty definitive that Cobel isn’t severed, isn’t it?
I mean we see her at work recognizing Mark’s personal life and away from work recognizing Lumen work related things.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 11:50 pm to Pettifogger
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Posted on 4/10/22 at 8:49 am to TouchedTheAxeIn82
They didn’t really get into that lady who had a baby with Marks sister and her husband is a senator. She’s definitely up to something. She didn’t recognize her at the park after the babies were born. She was at the event but I don’t think we learned any new unless I’m not remembering something.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 8:56 am to OysterPoBoy
She confirmed that she is severed. She uses it to skip the pains of pregnancy and child birth. Her severed self has only existed to give birth to her three kids.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 12:36 pm to Esquire
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She confirmed that she is severed. She uses it to skip the pains of pregnancy and child birth. Her severed self has only existed to give birth to her three kids.
Depending on how long the show goes, this seems like a pretty viable way of expanding the evils of severance beyond just the work element to broaden the scope of the show/themes - basically self-enslavement, separating humans from quintessential human experiences, etc.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 1:12 pm to Tigerfan56
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It’s pretty definitive that Cobel isn’t severed, isn’t it?
I mean we see her at work recognizing Mark’s personal life and away from work recognizing Lumen work related things.
Yeah she’s definitely not severed in the sense that Mark and Helly are severed.
I only said “as far as we know” because I could see some weird twist developing where all of the supervisors are also severed on permanent “innie mode” or something.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 3:06 pm to LSUTigKyl
Big fan of the show! Just ran through the whole season in 2 sittings, really well-written and great acting.
The only question I have, though, is why do some people look at this as such a horrific thing to do? I get the weird dynamic where you’ve basically created this new person who just works and does your job for you without any say in the matter. I actually thought that was a really interesting dynamic that the show made me think about that never would’ve come to mind if someone originally brought-up this topic.
Outside of not being able to respond to some “can you pickup some bread from the grocery on your way home from work” type texts from the wife, why would anyone care if you can’t remember what you did at work? Like the daughter who was so distraught that her father had the procedure done. Why would she really care all that much? I don’t think I ever really talked to my dad about his work growing up so if we had some stressful job and didn’t wanna remember it when he went home, why would that he so bad?
The only question I have, though, is why do some people look at this as such a horrific thing to do? I get the weird dynamic where you’ve basically created this new person who just works and does your job for you without any say in the matter. I actually thought that was a really interesting dynamic that the show made me think about that never would’ve come to mind if someone originally brought-up this topic.
Outside of not being able to respond to some “can you pickup some bread from the grocery on your way home from work” type texts from the wife, why would anyone care if you can’t remember what you did at work? Like the daughter who was so distraught that her father had the procedure done. Why would she really care all that much? I don’t think I ever really talked to my dad about his work growing up so if we had some stressful job and didn’t wanna remember it when he went home, why would that he so bad?
Posted on 4/10/22 at 4:41 pm to NolaLovingClemsonFan
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The only question I have, though, is why do some people look at this as such a horrific thing to do? I get the weird dynamic where you’ve basically created this new person who just works and does your job for you without any say in the matter.
I mean… that’s the issue.
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Outside of not being able to respond to some “can you pickup some bread from the grocery on your way home from work” type texts from the wife, why would anyone care if you can’t remember what you did at work?
It’s not taboo because of the impact on the outie. It’s all about the innie. You’re basically creating a new consciousness (read: person) who shares your body but is effectively a slave and ONLY experiences your work life.
Whether that presents a moral problem is a metaphysical “nature of the self” question. But it’s a moral gray area, at best. Some might see it as being fine, since you can’t really enslave yourself. Others might see it as completely wrong because the innie is a distinct “self” from the outie making the decisions.
I think the show does a pretty good job of nailing the moral ambiguity of it. You have a mix of people with different views on severance. You also have people who just think it’s weird/wrong for a company to require brain surgery as a condition of employment.
That’s why Helena is doing what she’s doing - it’s part of a PR campaign to normalize severance. So it’s going to be very problematic for Lumon if/when the public finds out what it’s really like on the severed floor, or if the public finds out that Helena’s innie tried to kill herself and Helena sent her back to work anyway.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 5:14 pm to lostinbr
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It’s not taboo because of the impact on the outie. It’s all about the innie. You’re basically creating a new consciousness (read: person) who shares your body but is effectively a slave and ONLY experiences your work life. Whether that presents a moral problem is a metaphysical “nature of the self” question. But it’s a moral gray area, at best. Some might see it as being fine, since you can’t really enslave yourself. Others might see it as completely wrong because the innie is a distinct “self” from the outie making the decisions. I think the show does a pretty good job of nailing the moral ambiguity of it. You have a mix of people with different views on severance. You also have people who just think it’s weird/wrong for a company to require brain surgery as a condition of employment. That’s why Helena is doing what she’s doing - it’s part of a PR campaign to normalize severance. So it’s going to be very problematic for Lumon if/when the public finds out what it’s really like on the severed floor, or if the public finds out that Helena’s innie tried to kill herself and Helena sent her back to work anyway.
I get all that. I get that it creates a new dynamic that no one really thought about.
However, I guess I’m asking why they only chose sorta broken people who needed an escape to be the severed employees. For them, their family looks at it as a way for them to get a break from the grieving for example. Mark’s sister says that, and Petey’s daughter says something similar.
I’m saying, what if you had a perfectly normal and reasonably happy person who just didn’t wanna have to do or remember their work. Like what if he’s a perfectly normal accountant with a normal family who’s good at numbers but doesn’t exactly wakeup every day dying to go to work so decides to get severed.
Obviously it’d change the tone, but I feel like it’d almost make it more jarring (in hindsight) if the outtie is super happy while the innie is wrecked. It seems like Dylan may have this as seems he has a family, but I guess it seems like some people are appalled that someone would do this, not only because of the moral canundrum you mentioned.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 7:45 pm to NolaLovingClemsonFan
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Obviously it’d change the tone, but I feel like it’d almost make it more jarring (in hindsight) if the outtie is super happy while the innie is wrecked. It seems like Dylan may have this as seems he has a family, but I guess it seems like some people are appalled that someone would do this, not only because of the moral canundrum you mentioned.
Well, I don't know if Dylan's life is "normal" relative to the others, but I think his saga was meant to show the problem severance poses even for the non-broken.
That episode showed the gravity of it - a human being who was chugging along without any concern about the other half of his life is confronted with the other half, and suddenly what was a peaceable existence is tortured. He suddenly learns he has a family but he'll never know who they are, hold his kids, even know their names, etc. That side is completely disconnected from the other, so it's not like he can view it in a contiguous way like his outtie can. He's only got the crappy part of the deal, none of the important stuff.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:02 pm to LSUTigKyl
Such an awesome show!!!! Can’t wait for season 2
Posted on 4/11/22 at 7:12 am to NolaLovingClemsonFan
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However, I guess I’m asking why they only chose sorta broken people who needed an escape to be the severed employees. For them, their family looks at it as a way for them to get a break from the grieving for example. Mark’s sister says that, and Petey’s daughter says something similar. I’m saying, what if you had a perfectly normal and reasonably happy person who just didn’t wanna have to do or remember their work. Like what if he’s a perfectly normal accountant with a normal family who’s good at numbers but doesn’t exactly wakeup every day dying to go to work so decides to get severed.
My takeaway is that they are in the very early years of Severance as an option. We see that it’s a newer technology and idea, which makes it inherently riskier and not “normalized”.
The nature of that will make more broken people gravitate towards it, because they are so desperately looking for an escape that it’s worth it for them to take this huge leap and go down a different path.
Whereas even your normal and happy accountant who dislikes his job, would be more reluctant to undergo such a drastic life change because there’s a lot of risk/unknown and it simply isn’t worth it.
The broken person has nothing to lose, the normal person does.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 9:01 am to Pettifogger
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That episode showed the gravity of it - a human being who was chugging along without any concern about the other half of his life is confronted with the other half, and suddenly what was a peaceable existence is tortured. He suddenly learns he has a family but he'll never know who they are, hold his kids, even know their names, etc. That side is completely disconnected from the other, so it's not like he can view it in a contiguous way like his outtie can. He's only got the crappy part of the deal, none of the important stuff.
Yea, definitely incredibly thoughtful and creative of the show to have thought all of this through. On the surface, not remembering anything about work sounds incredible. If you told me about the plot before the show I would’ve almost assumed it was a comedy or something along the lines of like A Good Place.
However, when you think of what that would create, this alternative version of you that’s basically forced into servitude with no outside life and no joys to go home to, it’s definitely pretty trippy. That’s before you bring up the fact that I don’t think they’re doing any work at all and are just lab rats themselves being studied by Lumun. Then things really get dicey.
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