re: Alec Baldwin re-indicted on manslaughter charges by New Mexico grand jury

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For a major production? Yes.

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what about other movies he’s been in?
Red October, The Getaway, one of the Mission Impossible movies, that one where he’s a mobster after Demi Moore?

guarantee he’s had firearm training.
for both safety and to look convincing with the gun as an actor.

i wouldn’t be shocked to find out there some regulatory body that requires a certain amount of training to use on in a film or TV.

I was watching something on the making of Stargate SG1 and they were talking about how is a lot cheaper to use real guns than to use copies of said guns. So they had real P90s on set and the actors really trained on how to shoot them. .

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Now.... If he had extensive firearms training, then he may bear some responsibility. But I still feel it's 100% on the dipshit who gave him a hot weapon.

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Heard some things about his father being weapons trainer when the story/incident 1st was under investigation.

According to this duckduckgo search his dad was a HS riflery coach: DDG (simple search results from "alec baldwin father")

They had fired live rounds through the gun while on set.
Baldwin knew about that, he knew it was not a prop.
His claim is he didn’t point he gun at the person killed ( and the other person wounded ) and he didn’t pull the trigger, the gun just went off.

Baldwin is a weasel. Admit you did those two obvious things, then you can blame the armoror. He isn’t, so frick him.

Dude broke the safety rules when handling a gun and is 100% responsible.

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some moron actor who has no idea about firearms and firearms training is supposed to even know to check his weapon.

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He's had as much or more training than most on this board. As mentioned, his dad was an instructor.

It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to know you don't point a gun at someone & pull the trigger, especially when it's real & you were just target shooting with it the day before.

AB knew exactly what he was doing. He was fricking around with a staff member, trying to be whatever he was trying to be, & now he's going to find out.

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I'm fairly certain that Baldwin has been involved in numerous major productions where his character used a firearm.

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Mission Impossible franchise.

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the gun just went off.

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Quite tired of that myth...and defense.

Guns just don't go off...even if you dropped them from a 50 story building. You gotta pull the trigger.

Maybe some old wheel gun Colt from 1888...if it was cocked and loaded...and you deliberately slammed it against a Saloon door. But even then. It would have to be deliberate. I presume his actions were deliberate out of ignorance, for whatever reason.

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Yep. I don't give a shite if he's guilty or not but if this were Chris Pratt or Gina Carano, people here wouldn't be so quick to condemn them.

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I like Baldwin and don't care about his political views and I'm torn. If a random guy was acting like an arse on a forklift and killed someone, that's about equivalent to this. I don't think he'll ever get jail time because I can't see a jury all agreeing. Civil trial would be a different story and I'd expect him to pay.

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This is the correct, measured take. People are letting their haters for Baldwin and his politics blind their objectivity.

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You would be 100% dead wrong. Being an actor or a member of the Screen Actor’s Guild does not make you immune to the laws of the jurisdiction that you are in. Also, a movie set is a job site.

A gun is an inherently dangerous object that requires due care and circumspection when handled by anybody. Alec Baldwin KNEW at the time of the incident that guns are dangerous. Therefore, he is obligated by law to handle the gun with due care and circumspection because if not, someone can be killed. Being an actor does not absolve him of this duty.

Now, movies require guns to be used in a pretend but realistic ways. They have procedures in place that provide the due care and circumspection required to prevent a tragedy.

Baldwin has to do a rehearsal that requires him to point a gun at a camera. The cameraman is lining up the shot, with a gun pointed at them. THIS IS AN INHERENTLY DANGEROUS ACT! Killing someone you are pointing a gun at is a likely outcome if something goes wrong. Therefore, Baldwin is required to exercise due caution and circumspection when he does this. What could this look like?

- having the armorer check the gun for you and SHOW you it is cleared, don’t go by their word. I believe this is what is supposed to happen
- check yourself
- insist the camera person is using a remote monitor to line up a shot
- insist the camera person is behind a bullet proof shield
- use a rubber gun to line up the shot

Baldwin didn’t do any of this! Therefore, he did not exercise due caution and circumspection.

But, he’s an actor you say! They can’t be required to know the ins and outs of handling a gun! Hogwash. A movie set is a job site. Guns are dangerous. They require proper training to handle them in a safe manner. A gun on a movie set is no different than a forklift in a warehouse. They are both dangerous tools that require training to be used safely. If an actor is unable to learn how to handle a gun safely, that role is not for them.

Baldwin should have been trained to the point where he knows how to handle the gun properly, namely, knowing how to tell it’s unloaded before he pointed it at someone. This is no different than allowing someone on a forklift with no training.