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re: Article about Saints cap 2024
Posted on 2/7/24 at 10:39 pm to paulbeasy
Posted on 2/7/24 at 10:39 pm to paulbeasy
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hat said, I'm comfortable with how these players performed in 2023 and I don't see retirement coming any time soon.
- DE Cam Jordan: $9.4M
- S Tyrann Mathieu: $6.5M”
Well Paul I already thought you were pretty stupid but you continue to show you're just warming up
:inb4shutthefrickupussy:
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Posted on 2/8/24 at 5:41 am to BilJ
I do love how his OP includes the very arguments brought up about why this strategy eats cap (dead cap + having to keep players at crazy age/costs), and he doesn't even realize it 
We're restructuring Mathieu and possibly Maye? And Cam/Davis/Hills? What could go wrong?
We're restructuring Mathieu and possibly Maye? And Cam/Davis/Hills? What could go wrong?
Posted on 2/8/24 at 6:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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I do love how his OP includes the very arguments brought up about why this strategy eats cap (dead cap + having to keep players at crazy age/costs), and he doesn't even realize it
Are you an idiot. The Saints have done this “strategy” for YEARS. We have some decisions to make with a few key aging players. Now what their restructure may look like we DONT know yet.
Youre just the pussy who keeps crying about it.
You can nay say all you want, the Saints have a plan and they follow it.
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 7:04 am
Posted on 2/8/24 at 7:01 am to BilJ
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Well Paul I already thought you were pretty stupid but you continue to show you're just warming up
Well Bill, I already thought you didnt get how this works and youre proving it.
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DE Cam Jordan: $9.4M - S Tyrann Mathieu: $6.5M”
Now do you know what we are going to do with these players/contracts yet? Or what type of restructures and/or lesser pay they’ll take? NO you dont your fricking idiot.
These arent qb’s in a rising market. Theyre aging vets who we would like to give us a team friendly restructure.
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 7:05 am
Posted on 2/8/24 at 7:17 am to paulbeasy
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The Saints have done this “strategy” for YEARS
For about 5 years
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Now what their restructure may look like we DONT know yet.
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the Saints have a plan and they follow it.
An inefficient, -EV plan that will keep us from title contention while we engage in it.
But you are free to celebrate the 10 win ceiling, if you like.
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 7:18 am
Posted on 2/8/24 at 7:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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For about 5 years
Wow. Naw buddy, Saints been doing this. And we have a lot of success to show for it.
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Hopium
Not hope. Facts.
Saints deadcap for 2024 has yet to be determined. It will depend on the contracts of several players, and we already worked on two (Lattimore/Carr). We ended up fine at 12th in 2023, so we will see. This article I linked shows a fairly good breakdown of how it will play out.
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So who are the most likely restructure candidates? Here is the list of Saints non-rookie players currently under contract in descending order by restructure potential (money that can be cleared for 2024 by reworking their deals). All figures via OverTheCap (minimum $1M)
- QB Derek Carr: $23M
- RT Ryan Ramczyk: $11.8M
- DE Cam Jordan: $9.4M
- LB: Demario Davis: $8M
- RB Alvin Kamara: $8M
- DE Carl Granderson: $7.2M
- C Erik McCoy: $6.7M
- G Cesar Ruiz: $6.5M
- QB Taysom Hill: $6.5M
- S Tyrann Mathieu: $5.8M
- S Marcus Maye: $4.3M
- TE Juwan Johnson: $3.6M
- OL James Hurst: $3.3M
- DT Nathan Shepherd: $2.2M
- RB Jamaal Williams: $1.9M
- DT Khalen Saunders: $1.8M
- TE Foster Moreau: $1.8M
- WR Michael Thomas: $1.6M
- S J.T. Gray: $1.4M
Total restructure potential: $113.2M Cap space to clear: $83.6M As you can see, there are more than enough restructures on the table to get to cap compliance. The Saints have also already restructured Marshon Lattimore's deal to include an option bonus, which will be another topic to discuss down the road, and that eliminates him from the base discussion today. The next question becomes: Who do you restructure? Not all of these decisions are built the same. Younger players whom you expect to be tied to for the foreseeable future become no-brainers. If you want to automatically trigger restructures on any player age 28 or younger, this is what that list would look like.
- DE Carl Granderson: $7.2M
- C Erik McCoy: $6.5M
- G Cesar Ruiz: $6.5M
- TE Juwan Johnson: $3.6M
- RB Jamaal Williams: $1.9M
- DT Khalen Saunders: $1.8M
- TE Foster Moreau: $1.8M
- S J.T. Gray: $1.4M
Total restructured: $30.7M Overall total restructured: $30.7M Left to clear: $52.9M Those would theoretically be the easy decisions, and that leaves a very clear issue. There's still about $53 million to clear, and only players at or on the wrong side of 29 to work with. That's what makes the Derek Carr decision simple, at least for this year. There are facts and figures about how these moves will impact 2025 and beyond, but we're focused on 2024 today and the most sensible way to get where we need to be. I'm not going to get too bogged down in the mechanics beyond that. You're welcome. RELATED Saints expected to restructure Derek Carr's contract ahead of 2024 season: report Saints expected to restructure Derek Carr's contract ahead of 2024 season: report With that in mind, Derek Carr's $23M restructure is happening. Complain about it if you want, this was always the plan and the team has maintained that they are committed to the veteran QB. With that move, we now have $53M cleared through nine restructures, with only one for a player older than 28. Total: $23M Overall total restructured: 53.7M Left to clear: $29.9M The path to clearing the next $30 million is a more difficult question. You're going to balance value vs risk and there is one contract I'm not looking at as anything but a last resort, and that's Ryan Ramczyk's. He represents the second-highest restructure potential, but his balky knee has me concerned about his availability for 2024 and beyond. I'm hopeful for the best, but planning for the worst. The next four players are also risky, but I don't think you really have a choice. This represents the most valid criticism of the Saints' cap strategy in that you end up committed to aging veterans longer than you might want to be. That said, I'm comfortable with how these players performed in 2023 and I don't see retirement coming any time soon.
- DE Cam Jordan: $9.4M
- LB Demario Davis: $8M
- QB Taysom Hill: $6.5M
- S Tyrann Mathieu: $6.5M
Total: $30.4M Overall total restructured: $84.1M Left to clear: 0 ($500K available) Again, you're committing yourself to five players age 31 or older. In Davis and Jordan it's two players 34 or older, which is ancient in NFL terms when you're not talking about QBs or specialists. Still, these are all team leaders who will be counted on for more than just the production on the field. And in the case of all but Jordan, the 2023 season was impressive statistically. Again, these are risky, but I'm OK with it.
Pretty fair eval/breakdown of how this could all play out. Since you like to ignore facts, see above.
If you want be a pussy and cry, please stop.
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 7:31 am
Posted on 2/8/24 at 7:33 am to paulbeasy
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Pretty fair eval/breakdown of how this could all play out. Since you like to ignore facts, see above.
There is nothing novel in this article.
We can kick dead cap hits down the road. Why do you think this is newsworthy?
Besides, I'm already looking at 2025.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 7:34 am to paulbeasy
I could be the only fan that doesn't care about he cap anymore.
They will do what they have to do to get under the cap and will also make a few FA signing that everyone thinks is impossible. (and there will be endless arguments about whether or not those signings are good or bad)
I don't care how they do it I just want them to keep winning. It ain't my money. If the house comes crashing down and the Saints are terrible for a few years I'll still be a fan and won't be trying to jump off any cliffs.
They will do what they have to do to get under the cap and will also make a few FA signing that everyone thinks is impossible. (and there will be endless arguments about whether or not those signings are good or bad)
I don't care how they do it I just want them to keep winning. It ain't my money. If the house comes crashing down and the Saints are terrible for a few years I'll still be a fan and won't be trying to jump off any cliffs.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 7:53 am to SlowFlowPro
Everyone is going to restructure to take less money and that solves most of our problems according to pussymouth. See how easy it is and how stupid we all are?
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:03 am to goatmilker
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Everyone is going to restructure to take less money and that solves most of our problems according to pussymouth. See how easy it is and how stupid we all are?
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO YET
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:13 am to SlowFlowPro
When the Saints get under the cap pussymouth will return and take what he thinks is a victory lap 
mmmm Good ice cream what?...oh there he is.
mmmm Good ice cream what?...oh there he is. Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:26 am to paulbeasy
Personally, I think we need a hard reset but that won’t happen until Allen is fired. Clear the cap and start the rebuild.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:32 am to paulbeasy
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Wow. Naw buddy, Saints been doing this. And we have a lot of success to show for it.
This is right. When the band was together. That team and staff is long gone and so should that philosophy.
This team has not had success in a bad division for 3 years now.
Most teams that do this have Joe Burrow or Patrick Mahomes as QB.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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There is nothing novel in this article.
Im sure you dont like it.
It goes against all your theories that the Saints will have a terrible dead cap in 2024. Its similar to how you dislike the fact that the Saints were ranked 12th in deadcap in 2023.
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Besides, I'm already looking at 2025.
More like deflecting your argument, because youre just a whiny pussy.
You have no clue what the Saints dead cap will looke like in 2025. Now shut the frick up pussy.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:57 am to SaintEB
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This team has not had success in a bad division for 3 years now.
The Saints have had success for a long period of time. This period of 3 mediocre seasons is not reason to panic.
We had three straight 7-9 seasons with SP/Brees before hitting in the draft and rolling in 2017, 2018 etc.
I am thinking about draft prospects. Shore up the line etc. maybe elite playmaker.
We also have a bunch of mid round picks. Need to get some production out of a few of these picks badly.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 9:27 am to paulbeasy
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Besides, I'm already looking at 2025.
More like deflecting your argument
It IS his argument. The very heart of it. SFP thinks pushing record salary to later years will bite us very hard in the arse one day. In the now it affects our purchasing power via FA's and locking up young talent instead of losing them. Trey Hendrickson a classic example as we could not match the money to keep him. So talking about later years is extremely relevant in his take on the Saints future. We have over 70 million to cut or extend to get under the cap. Highest by far in the league. We will see how they approach it very soon.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 10:50 am to paulbeasy
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Although the whining couch GM’s on here think we’re doomed, we are NOT.
No one is worried about going over the cap. We understand that we can restructure contracts. We understand that the cap increases every single year. We simply would rather be in a position to 'acquire' potential FAs to add more talent/depth to our roster. Every year super bowl contenders make big moves in free agency. This roster is not good enough to win anything as is. We need to be 'acquiring' players, not 'restructuring' half of our roster.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 10:54 am to paulbeasy
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The Saints have had success for a long period of time. This period of 3 mediocre seasons is not reason to panic.
It's the majority of the era of can kicking
We weren't kicking can when we had the mega cap space in 2006 to acquire Drew Brees. We were in the opposite position.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 10:59 am to paulbeasy
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It goes against all your theories that the Saints will have a terrible dead cap in 2024.
I think we'll be top 1/3, again. Which isn't a good place to be every year.
2025 is the year shite may get really bad, due to our ATMs (Ram/Latt) potentially having to be dealt with this offseason, ahead of schedule.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:20 am to paulbeasy
Honey Badger should have never been signed and I love Cam but that extension isn’t looking hot right now. He hit the wall bad last year.
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 11:21 am
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