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re: History in Pictures is a great twitter feed. Here is one just posted.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 11:23 am to JustGetItRight
Posted on 7/18/14 at 11:23 am to JustGetItRight
Seems our plane nuts are doing well. This one will be tougher, so I throw out some hints.
This guy won the MOH while flying for the Navy in WWII, but this isn't what the question is about. Early in his war career, he shot down two zeros and damaged a third in a plane no one thought possible. Name the guy and the plane.
Bonus: What was his MOH for?
This guy won the MOH while flying for the Navy in WWII, but this isn't what the question is about. Early in his war career, he shot down two zeros and damaged a third in a plane no one thought possible. Name the guy and the plane.
Bonus: What was his MOH for?
Posted on 7/18/14 at 11:28 am to Spaceman Spiff
Can't remember the name, but he was a Dauntless pilot flying CAP because they were short of Wildcats. At Midway, perhaps?
ETA Had an odd name. Vracieu, Vejstaha, something like that.
ETA Had an odd name. Vracieu, Vejstaha, something like that.
This post was edited on 7/18/14 at 11:37 am
Posted on 7/18/14 at 11:37 am to FightinTigersDammit
Yes, it was in a Dauntless but not at Midway. This was in 1942.
Interesting note on the Dauntless is its agility. It was capable of pulling maneuvers of up 9g's. Although it was very slow and outclassed, it was a very agile plane.
Close enough - will give it to you. At the time, he then Lt. Stanley "Swede" Vejtasa.
Now, about that MOH thing...
Interesting note on the Dauntless is its agility. It was capable of pulling maneuvers of up 9g's. Although it was very slow and outclassed, it was a very agile plane.
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ETA Had an odd name. Vracieu, Vejstaha, something like that
Close enough - will give it to you. At the time, he then Lt. Stanley "Swede" Vejtasa.
Now, about that MOH thing...
This post was edited on 7/18/14 at 11:41 am
Posted on 7/18/14 at 11:38 am to FightinTigersDammit
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Also supposed to be flown by guys who had some glider training and a few hours in powered craft. Complete disaster, especially once the tail started falling off.
You're right about it having problems but I don't think it is fair to call it a complete disaster.
Eric Brown, who flew almost every British, German, and American aircraft was very fond of it. It had very good performance and he said he had doubt it would have flown rings around a Meteor. He did note that it was NOT an aircraft to put a novice in and he thought the rudder/tail was a bit suspect.
It was the first generation of a design that was built in a big hurry under extreme pressure but it didn't have a fundamental design flaw. The tail problem would have been resolved in pretty short order - fortunately for us the Germans didn't have the time to get it done.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 11:40 am to Spaceman Spiff
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Yes, it was in a Dauntless but not at Midway. This was in 1942.
Coral Sea?
Posted on 7/18/14 at 11:41 am to FightinTigersDammit
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Coral Sea?
Yessir!
Posted on 7/18/14 at 11:41 am to JustGetItRight
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Eric Brown
Tons of respect for this man, but he is the first person I've heard say anything good about the He-162.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 11:44 am to JustGetItRight
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It was the first generation of a design that was built in a big hurry under extreme pressure but it didn't have a fundamental design flaw. The tail problem would have been resolved in pretty short order - fortunately for us the Germans didn't have the time to get it done.
I have always thought that the Germans were more advanced in many ways.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 11:45 am to Spaceman Spiff
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Now, about that MOH thing...
He didn't get a MoH. He got recommended for one for shooting down 6 or 7 japanese bombers in a single sortie at Santa Cruz but never got the award.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 11:48 am to JustGetItRight
Keeping in our Navy thing while I reel from my enourmous clusterfrick, name this ship and what happened to it. Please excuse me while I find a hammer.
This post was edited on 7/18/14 at 11:50 am
Posted on 7/18/14 at 11:56 am to FightinTigersDammit
Very good, sir!
Am I the only picture poster again today?
Am I the only picture poster again today?
Posted on 7/18/14 at 12:03 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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Tons of respect for this man, but he is the first person I've heard say anything good about the He-162.
I think that's a case of people repeating what they hear. You know, how everyone will tell you the P-40 was a terrible fighter - even though it remained in production until 1944 and the Japanese had tons of respect for it. Once a bad reputation gets out, it is hard to undo.
Much of the reputation probably came from Adolf Galland's opposition to the airplane - but he didn't oppose it from a technical standpoint. He opposed it because he felt it would take resources away from the 262 program.
Anyhow, the French used captured examples of the He-162 as an introductory jet trainer (something it most definitely was not) for most of 1947-1948 and only suffered a single accident.
It was a fast, agile, fighter with good visibility and said to be a stable gun platform. Given even 6 months more of development, it would have been a terror.
The design wasn't copied more for the same reason the 262 design wasn't. As good as those early models were, jet fighter technology (particularly engines) advanced so rapidly they were quickly rendered obsolete.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 12:08 pm to JustGetItRight
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It was a fast, agile, fighter with good visibility and said to be a stable gun platform. Given even 6 months more of development, it would have been a terror.
This. And had Hitler used the 262 as intended, things would have been a whole lot worse.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 12:23 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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And had Hitler used the 262 as intended, things would have been a whole lot worse.
Meh - too little, too late. The Allies would have adapted. The 262 flew first, what, in the summer of 1942 with the jet engines? They didn't go operational until April 1944.
Even if they had started operting in the Spring of '43 - they would have slowed down U.S. daylight bombing - perhaps even suspended it. Wouldn't have impacted Overlord, couldn't have gone back in time and won Stalingrad.
Would have resulted in (maybe) a few hundred, maybe 1000, more dead 8th Air Force crewmembers and a few dozen allied fighters. With our equipment at the time, we still destroyed 100 262s in the air.
This post was edited on 7/18/14 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 7/18/14 at 12:34 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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Am I the only picture poster again today?
Not any more.
Here come five. All saw combat in WWII.
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Posted on 7/18/14 at 12:38 pm to JustGetItRight
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