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re: Why didn't we use the South Korean approach?
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:43 am to madhatterman
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:43 am to madhatterman
well, to start, the CDC failed completely
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:46 am to ConwayGamecock
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Sounds like you need to read more boards. South Korea is not a surveillance state. And every preventative process you just described, has absolutely NOTHING to do with what methods South Korea actually used,
LINK
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South Korea has gone a step further than other countries, tracking individuals' phones and creating a publicly available map to allow other citizens to check whether they may have crossed paths with any coronavirus patients.
The tracking data that goes into the map isn't limited to mobile phone data, credit card records and even face-to-face interviews with patients are being used to build a retroactive map of where they've been.
Not only is the map there for citizens to check, but the South Korean government is using it to proactively send regional text messages warning people they may have come into contact with someone carrying the virus.
Coronavirus: South Korea’s success in controlling disease is due to its acceptance of surveillance
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South Korea has been widely praised for its management of the outbreak and spread of the coronavirus disease COVID-19. The focus has largely been on South Korea’s enormous virus testing programme.
What hasn’t been so widely reported is the country’s heavy use of surveillance technology, notably CCTV and the tracking of bank card and mobile phone usage, to identify who to test in the first place. And this is an important lesson for more liberal countries that might be less tolerant of such privacy invading measures but are hoping to emulate South Korea’s success.
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First, credit and debit cards. South Korea has the highest proportion of cashless transactions in the world. By tracking transactions, it’s possible to draw a card user’s movements on the map.
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Finally, CCTV cameras also enable authorities to identify people who have been in contact with COVID-19 patients. In 2014, South Korean cities had over 8 million CCTV cameras, or one camera per 6.3 people. In 2010, everyone was captured an average of 83.1 times per day and every nine seconds while travelling. These figures are likely to be much higher today. Considering the physical size of the country, it is safe to say South Korea has one of the highest densities of surveillance technology in the world.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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the CDC failed completely
Like many of the alphabet soup Fedgov agencies, CDC is a leftist experiment
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:48 am to TrueTiger
i don't think it would have worked (we're too big and travel too much) but that point is moot because the CDC failed
we couldn't mimic SK b/c they used inferior tests that worked while the CDC wanted superior tests that took longer AND their first test didn't work. by that time, we were way past modeling our response off SK
we couldn't mimic SK b/c they used inferior tests that worked while the CDC wanted superior tests that took longer AND their first test didn't work. by that time, we were way past modeling our response off SK
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:51 am to madhatterman
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I would argue that the tests that were available were misappropriated and were conducted without adequate planning.
wait what?
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:51 am to SlowFlowPro
Yeah that was an ugly swing and a miss on cock's part.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:53 am to NC_Tigah
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So again, for the slow learners, Fauci, Johns Hopkins, Scott Gottlieb, every pandemic "expert" in the country told Trump the CDC was the world's most capable organization in addressing an epidemic. The CDC said the quality of tests was critical, and the CDC needed oversight of uniform quality. What would you have had Trump do? Say "screw you guys, I don't trust the CDC. I'm gonna do my own thing" ?
Of course not!
Had he done that you be pitching conniption fits about it.
Meanwhile Congress was doing what?
Perhaps you've forgotten?
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So again, for the slow learners, Fauci, Johns Hopkins, Scott Gottlieb, every pandemic "expert" in the country told Trump the CDC was the world's most capable organization in addressing an epidemic. The CDC said the quality of tests was critical, and the CDC needed oversight of uniform quality. What would you have had Trump do? Say "screw you guys, I don't trust the CDC. I'm gonna do my own thing" ?
Of course not!
Had he done that you be pitching conniption fits about it.
Meanwhile Congress was doing what?
Perhaps you've forgotten?
So again, for the brain-dead Trumptards here.
Fauci is considered one of the the - if not THE - foremost U.S. expert on infectious diseases and viral pandemics.
Fauci was this under the Obama Administration.
Fauci was this under the W. Bush Administration.
Fauci was this under the Clinton Administration.
Fauci was this under the H.W. Bush Administration.
Fauci was becoming this under the Reagan Administration.
The other experts don't earn their accolades from the bottom of cracker-jack boxes. Just like you morons don't earn your ignorance from any higher-learning institutions.
The fact is, the CDC was in fact the world's most capable organization in addressing pandemics. They didn't exactly lie or exaggerate.
But unfortunately, the CDC is STILL a sub-department of a cabinet-level department of the federal government, and as such serves at the pleasure of the President of the United States.
Even if the pleasure of that President falls along the lines of a 5th-grader....
I would expect Trump - being the President - to be a leader. You talk like it was the CDC who was advising Trump that the COVID-19 was going to be nothing. You talk like it was Trump who was constrained by Redfield from taking COVID-19 seriously a month sooner, and from getting a proper test out to the masses in sufficient numbers, and from restocking a dangerously depleted federal stockpile of PPE equipment, and communicating to the state governments to do the same themselves.
You talk like you have no clue what you're talking about....
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:55 am to ConwayGamecock
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Regardless of whether or not Washington DC has Constitutional authority to micro manage this is a little after the fricking fact that they sure as hell micro-managed this into the ground to begin with, despite what you say. HELLO! Have you been vacationing on a deserted island for the last 3 months?
They prevented those states from developing their own tests for over a month, which is a YUGE reason why we've been behind in this race since the starting gun fired.
so you support cutting federal bureaucracy now as your political philosophy? how Trump-like of you
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:55 am to the808bass
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It’s not a revision. You can say whatever you want. The CDC screwed the pooch on this testing debacle. Not Trump. Not Pence.
And Trump was being sarcastic. Don't choke on the sand with your nose upside down like that......
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:56 am to davyjones
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Yeah that was an ugly swing and a miss on cock's part.
i just stumbled into this thread and had no idea i was replying to TDS-supreme
that post of his/her's should basically invalidate anything else he/she has said
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:56 am to ConwayGamecock
You’re not even addressing the subject of the thread anymore.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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that post of his/her's should basically invalidate anything else he/she has said
My thoughts exactly.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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I would argue that the tests that were available were misappropriated and were conducted without adequate planning.
I think he’s saying New York and New Jersey got shortchanged in the number of tests they were supplied. I think.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:58 am to ConwayGamecock
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The fact is, the CDC was in fact the world's most capable organization in addressing pandemics. They didn't exactly lie or exaggerate.
sure, but they failed
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But unfortunately, the CDC is STILL a sub-department of a cabinet-level department of the federal government, and as such serves at the pleasure of the President of the United States.
and he took measures to deal with the mess the CDC left after they failed
you have 2 options:
1. Trump should have overruled the CDC from the get go
2. Trump should have reacted to how the CDC handled things initially
which do you choose? i go with 2 b/c i don't trust Trump to overrule the CDC initially, personally. but you seem to trust him more than the CDC
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:58 am to ConwayGamecock
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And Trump was being sarcastic. Don't choke on the sand with your nose upside down like that......
Trump says some dumb things. I’ve never seen him devolve into an unhinged rant devoid of logic such as you’ve engaged in here.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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we couldn't mimic SK b/c they used inferior tests that worked while the CDC wanted superior tests that took longer AND their first test didn't work. by that time, we were way past modeling our response off SK
Hence, a massive overly complex system is not what you want to tackle particular situations.
Giant bloated fedgov with its massive bureaucracies can't possibly deliver on all the promises made for all of those decades. But we know this.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:58 am to ConwayGamecock
And Fauci was in the news telling us not to worry about it. Dick
Posted on 4/25/20 at 7:00 am to the808bass
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I think he’s saying New York and New Jersey got shortchanged in the number of tests they were supplied. I think.
yes but he's MMQBing that argument and it makes no rational sense
the issue is EARLY appropriation of tests, b/c that's when fedgov was still in control. those tests weren't going to non-infected states much
however, AFTER testing was opened up to private industry, it exploded in those areas. that's not "appropriation" b/c it was out of the government's hands at that point
he/she is using data from after the government ceded control to argue about the situation when the government was in full control
Posted on 4/25/20 at 7:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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however, AFTER testing was opened up to private industry, it exploded in those areas. that's not "appropriation" b/c it was out of the government's hands at that point he/she is using data from after the government ceded control to argue about the situation when the government was in full control
I think you are correct.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 7:02 am to TrueTiger
well there is also the possibility that SK overreacted initially and it will hurt them more in the long run
areas that initially failed, like NYC and Nola, may turn out to be lucky and way better off, due to that initial failure
since COVID (esp the mutation not from Europe) isn't nearly as bad as what we expected, our peak wasn't beyond critical care capacity. that means the downslope will be more severe and population spread will allow faster herd immunity
SK is going to be fricked for a LONG time with their methods
areas that initially failed, like NYC and Nola, may turn out to be lucky and way better off, due to that initial failure
since COVID (esp the mutation not from Europe) isn't nearly as bad as what we expected, our peak wasn't beyond critical care capacity. that means the downslope will be more severe and population spread will allow faster herd immunity
SK is going to be fricked for a LONG time with their methods
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