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Posted on 1/12/24 at 5:03 pm to Geauxgurt
Coach Saban was better at change. From staff, players, and schemes he was constantly reinventing the wheel. Bill knew defense and was a savant at his job. But he was never that guy with the offense. He struggled with relationships and no one will accuse him of being Mr. Personality. Coach Saban could tell you off and charm you.
Push goes to coach Saban.
Push goes to coach Saban.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 5:07 pm to Epic Cajun
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Belichick got to coach of the best players ever to play football for 20 years, imagine if Saban got to keep his best players for more than 3 or 4 seasons.
Yeah, Saban definitely had a talent problem at Bama...
Posted on 1/12/24 at 5:22 pm to Geauxgurt
This site is gonna be biased but winning a Super Bowl is leaps and bounds over a college title. If you take every football title LSU won since 2003 and combine them, I don’t think it comes close to matching what the Saints SB in 2009 felt like, in both prestige and just overall state feel good vibes.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 10:34 am to Tiger Voodoo
Yes, Saban has won 7 titles, but he lucked out in a system that gifted him opportunities he likely should not have had.
He lost the conference championship in 2011, yet was allowed into the title game for example. Belichick wasn’t getting the “you’re the second best team in the AFC and better than the NFC champ so you are in the Suoer Bowl too opportunities.
Saban got a joke title in 2020 that should nowhere near counting.
He’s not going to get the benefit of a worthless backup QB if he knocks out the starter in a title game like in 2009 in the NFL. They won’t be as good, but not near the drop off that helped him get the title in 2009.
In 2017, Bama again backed into the CFP without even winning their division, which. Was easier to do than the NFL by just playing a joke of a schedule outside of 2-3 games.
Hell, Brady’s title without BB was in that same asterisk year.
Saban is a great coach, but gets way more glory because the system in place allowed him more chances than other coaches got.
Imagine a playoff in the BCS era where other coaches had a chance besides the two golden children.
Imagine a BCS or even CFP before the BCS era actually pitting 1 vs 2 or the top 4 to get a winner. Many coaches may have had significantly more title s such as Spurrier.
Hell, Miles may have another in 2006. In the end, Saban has a stacked system in place to help him achieve those results. BB did not.
He lost the conference championship in 2011, yet was allowed into the title game for example. Belichick wasn’t getting the “you’re the second best team in the AFC and better than the NFC champ so you are in the Suoer Bowl too opportunities.
Saban got a joke title in 2020 that should nowhere near counting.
He’s not going to get the benefit of a worthless backup QB if he knocks out the starter in a title game like in 2009 in the NFL. They won’t be as good, but not near the drop off that helped him get the title in 2009.
In 2017, Bama again backed into the CFP without even winning their division, which. Was easier to do than the NFL by just playing a joke of a schedule outside of 2-3 games.
Hell, Brady’s title without BB was in that same asterisk year.
Saban is a great coach, but gets way more glory because the system in place allowed him more chances than other coaches got.
Imagine a playoff in the BCS era where other coaches had a chance besides the two golden children.
Imagine a BCS or even CFP before the BCS era actually pitting 1 vs 2 or the top 4 to get a winner. Many coaches may have had significantly more title s such as Spurrier.
Hell, Miles may have another in 2006. In the end, Saban has a stacked system in place to help him achieve those results. BB did not.
This post was edited on 1/13/24 at 10:42 am
Posted on 1/13/24 at 10:36 am to deltaland
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Belichik hasn’t won shite without Tom Brady
You guys forget that he went 11-5 and to an AFCCG w/Matt fricking Cassel.
And he won 10 games w/Mac Jones.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 10:37 am to LSU82BILL
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Lose 1 game and you probably don't make the playoff.
bullshite. How many undefeated titles does Saban have? 2009 and 2020.
5 came with losses including his title at LSU inexplicably losing to UF.
If anything, his massive talent advantage allowed this to be easier.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 10:48 am to Epic Cajun
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Belichick got to coach of the best players ever to play football for 20 years, imagine if Saban got to keep his best players for more than 3 or 4 seasons.
Wtf. Saban had the best players across his roster until the last 2 years or so with Georgia.
Bama is heavily favored in probably 10 games a year. Six or so of those games are like 60 to 10 types of games. He might have one game a year where the spread was less than 4 points, still favoring him.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 10:53 am to Geauxgurt
Apples to oranges. The NFL and CFB are too different to make a fair comparison.
Saban never would have had Bill's success if he spent his entire career in the NFL and Bill never would have had Saban's success if he spent his entire career in CFB. Both would have been good and successful, but not what they became.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 10:56 am to AUFANATL
If you want to try and compare:
Imagine if Belichik got 10 first round picks a year while other teams got 1 or maybe zero
That’s basically how it works in college. Go look at bamas 4 and 5 star totals to other teams
Imagine if Belichik got 10 first round picks a year while other teams got 1 or maybe zero
That’s basically how it works in college. Go look at bamas 4 and 5 star totals to other teams
This post was edited on 1/13/24 at 10:58 am
Posted on 1/13/24 at 11:06 am to lsupride87
I dunno how people can even bring in the quality of players argument and not say Saban had a massive advantage there across the board.
His players had maybe 3 regular season games a year where they don't just completely out talent the other team
His players had maybe 3 regular season games a year where they don't just completely out talent the other team
Posted on 1/13/24 at 11:09 am to Deactived
In the majority of sabans games played they were double digit favorites
Belichik likely had under 20 games in his entire career they were double digit favorites
Belichik likely had under 20 games in his entire career they were double digit favorites
Posted on 1/13/24 at 12:13 pm to J2thaROC
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Saban showed he couldn’t win without having a talent advantage.
Don’t think LSU was the most talented team when Saban was there and overlapped with USC in their prime
Posted on 1/13/24 at 12:17 pm to Giantkiller
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This site is gonna be biased but winning a Super Bowl is leaps and bounds over a college title.
Is one Super Bowl leaps and bounds over three college titles, including one with maybe the GOAT team in college?
Posted on 1/13/24 at 12:30 pm to LSU82BILL
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Winning a championship in college is much more difficult. For most of Saban's career, his team had to be one of the top 2 teams to make the championship game (top 4 since 2014). That's out of 133 teams
Teams 20-133 essentially have zero chance at a championship. It comes down to about 10-12 teams a year in college and it's always the same teams.
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And that is playing 8 or 9 games against SEC teams
The sec homerism on this site is unbelievable. Half the sec is garbage every year. Most years it's 2-3 good teams and everyone else.
I'd love to know how many times in his career at bama Saban wasn't favored by double digits.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 12:50 pm to Geauxgurt
Both were good at what they do.
Belichick is a defensive mastermind. His defenses have always been some of the league’s best. But, his GM decisions on offense have always been questionable outside of Tom Brady, who made his team’s offense go. Once he had to replace him it became obvious how bad that side of the ball was. But, neither he or Brady have success without the other.
Saban was a fantastic recruiter and a leader of men, especially when his coaching staff essentially became a paid internship for struggling big name coaches to fix their image. Stock piling blue chippers was part of why he did so well at Bama, but Orgeron and Jimbo both showed that it’s not all about how many blue chippers you have.
Football lost two of the best coaches in history.
Belichick is a defensive mastermind. His defenses have always been some of the league’s best. But, his GM decisions on offense have always been questionable outside of Tom Brady, who made his team’s offense go. Once he had to replace him it became obvious how bad that side of the ball was. But, neither he or Brady have success without the other.
Saban was a fantastic recruiter and a leader of men, especially when his coaching staff essentially became a paid internship for struggling big name coaches to fix their image. Stock piling blue chippers was part of why he did so well at Bama, but Orgeron and Jimbo both showed that it’s not all about how many blue chippers you have.
Football lost two of the best coaches in history.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 6:10 pm to lsupride87
quote:and the fact bill is an under 500 head coach without Tom who won him 6 super bowls just goes to show how great Tom truly was. I always knew you would come around pride!
Peyton manning, Aaron Rodgers, Steve young, Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, Warren Moon, Fran Tarkenton and drew Brees have 5 super bowls combined Just a reminder for all you dumbasses that think having a good qb makes it so easy in the nfl to win a Super Bow
Posted on 1/13/24 at 6:12 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Tom brady played on one football team without a top 15 scoring defense
He went 8-9
He went 8-9
Posted on 1/13/24 at 6:19 pm to lsupride87
Well yeah it’s a team sport. But him having good players around him doesn’t not make him tGOAT. We see how bad bill was before and after him and we see what he did at Tampa, we also see how he makes average skill players look above average. He’s the common denominator to winning
Posted on 1/13/24 at 6:19 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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Belichik has zero superbowls without Tom Brady
Are we supposed to ignore BB's first two rings with the Giants?
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