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re: Kurt Warner is very critical of QB coaching at the college level
Posted on 2/23/24 at 12:17 pm to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 2/23/24 at 12:17 pm to RLDSC FAN
You have at most 5 years with these guys, only 4 where they can play (ignoring waivers, redshirts and all that mess)
Of course it’s going to go towards systems, and simple systems. It’s the nature of the beast. They are barely allowed to practice and the portal makes it almost impossible to have a player sit and develop, especially offensively.
2019 LSU was running probably as close as you’ll get to a real current era NFL offense in college, and that was only made possible in part from Burrow being a grad transfer that had I think like 1 class to do anything and the rest he was basically putting in pro hours to skill up/learn the offense
This exact same thing is happening at the NFL level as the practice time gets shorter, Oline play gets worse, injuries increase, and staffs with shorter and shorter leashes.
Of course it’s going to go towards systems, and simple systems. It’s the nature of the beast. They are barely allowed to practice and the portal makes it almost impossible to have a player sit and develop, especially offensively.
2019 LSU was running probably as close as you’ll get to a real current era NFL offense in college, and that was only made possible in part from Burrow being a grad transfer that had I think like 1 class to do anything and the rest he was basically putting in pro hours to skill up/learn the offense
This exact same thing is happening at the NFL level as the practice time gets shorter, Oline play gets worse, injuries increase, and staffs with shorter and shorter leashes.
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Posted on 2/23/24 at 12:20 pm to BayouBaw84
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The people with blinders on who think Daniels after taking 5 years of starting in college to finally get it will magically be a great pro.
That’s a valid concern, but college experience is one of the few predictors that has some merit when predicting NFL success. It’s not an exact science, but there’s a reason Brock Purdy is starting a Super Bowl for the 49ers, and Trey Lance isn’t even on the team, and it’s not talent. Plus, its not like Jayden was awful for four years of college before having success.
He had a fantastic true freshman season, and was on Heisman watchlists entering his Sophomore season. Then Covid, an injury, a terrible OC change, the chaos at ASU, and Herm Edwards derailed any progress.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 2/23/24 at 12:30 pm to RLDSC FAN
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At all levels. It's a huge issue. The NFL is struggling mightily with Oline play. It's why the product has suffered, IMO
Absolutely. It starts at the HS level too with all of the shotgun/spread offenses. He's right about QB play too. It's awful now and just like the OL play, it's showing in the NFL which has created an awful product that will only get worse.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 12:38 pm to RLDSC FAN
Maybe the nfl should create a farm league if they don’t like it and the rest of us can get back to enjoying college football rather than paying a kid fresh out of college 2 mil so he can enter the portal after a year to get another 2 mil
Posted on 2/23/24 at 12:40 pm to RLDSC FAN
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they didn’t ask him to process & get ball out as quickly as he did last year in HOU
Kurt knows you learn this best in the Arena League.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 12:49 pm to swagsurfin7
It's dinosaur thinking to have QB's run schemes that require all this complex after the snap reads that they'll never have enough time to go through with modern pass rush. Modern offenses simplify the area/number of reads through pre-snap recognition and option routes. Reduce the number of classical "reads" but gives more run/pass options, option routes, etc.
From what I've read from a LSU perspective it seems the biggest issues Scout's have is the simplistic route trees. Part of the advantage someone like Jayden gives you is the running ability is a read in itself which stresses the defense further & with the caliber of athlete at WR there was no need to go any further. In general to be as efficient as possible you run the simpliest thing you can get away with & LSU was an example of that.
From a Jayden development perspective, it'd seem to me it's in Jayden's best interest for LSU showcase him doing the things he does best in order to get drafted as highly as possible. It's the NFL's job to scout talent and develop schemes which best maximize that talent. One of my biggest concerns with Jayden at the pro level is he gets drafted by some team that doesn't tailor the offense around him and tries to shoehorn him into something that doesn't fit his best abilities, IE Arthur Smith with his talent available on the Falcons.
From what I've read from a LSU perspective it seems the biggest issues Scout's have is the simplistic route trees. Part of the advantage someone like Jayden gives you is the running ability is a read in itself which stresses the defense further & with the caliber of athlete at WR there was no need to go any further. In general to be as efficient as possible you run the simpliest thing you can get away with & LSU was an example of that.
From a Jayden development perspective, it'd seem to me it's in Jayden's best interest for LSU showcase him doing the things he does best in order to get drafted as highly as possible. It's the NFL's job to scout talent and develop schemes which best maximize that talent. One of my biggest concerns with Jayden at the pro level is he gets drafted by some team that doesn't tailor the offense around him and tries to shoehorn him into something that doesn't fit his best abilities, IE Arthur Smith with his talent available on the Falcons.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 12:49 pm to wilceaux
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There are tons of examples of Daniels going through his progressions and hitting a 3rd or 4th option.
Nowadays guys are taught to use their legs after the first two options…
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:33 pm to Gaston
Can I get his autograph??
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:40 pm to RLDSC FAN
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At all levels. It's a huge issue. The NFL is struggling mightily with Oline play. It's why the product has suffered, IMO
From run concepts completely disappearing from High Schools and the advent of the running QB.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 2:38 pm to RLDSC FAN
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At all levels. It's a huge issue. The NFL is struggling mightily with Oline play. It's why the product has suffered
Bring back steroids and this gets fixed.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:19 pm to Gaggle
quote:No. he also said it’s “sad how the coaches won’t develop them”
Ugh. He's saying it's impossible to evaluate a college QB for the NFL and is a total crapshoot because NFL situations don't exist in the college game It's unfortunate he had to use Jayden as an example so the ninnies here automatically thinks he's bagging LSU and the college game.
That’s just dumb
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:40 pm to Gaston
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Gaston
Your son will hit the portal after year 1 anyway...so who gives a shite
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:55 pm to Cregg
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Offensive line play in college football is awful.
Even Bama holding in the Rose Bowl couldn't stop, what? Like 6 sacks by Michigan in the 1st half?
USC Caleb Williams would take a snap and if it wasn't a quick bubble-screen, he'd just start running for his life, playgrounding it every game last year.
DL are so more advanced than OL. But QBs in CFB also seem like they can't read as quickly as before...maybe every college QB should have to spend a semester in the new Arena Football League.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 2/23/24 at 4:01 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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The people with blinders on who think Daniels after taking 5 years of starting in college to finally get it will magically be a great pro.
You do realize burrow didn’t get a 1st round grade until the middle of his 5th year of college ball, right?
Posted on 2/23/24 at 4:09 pm to sunnydaze
quote:You realize Burrow wasn’t a 5 year starter correct? He basically didn’t even play until he got to LSU.
You do realize burrow didn’t get a 1st round grade until the middle of his 5th year of college ball, right?
Posted on 2/23/24 at 4:45 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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maybe every college QB should have to spend a semester in the new Arena Football League.
The new Arena Football League won’t even be worth mentioning… they named a team the VooDoo and then sent them to Lake Charles
Posted on 2/23/24 at 5:15 pm to RLDSC FAN
Essentially he is saying that college offenses aren't as complex as NFL offenses, and very few quarterbacks are prepared as they should be.
This is why I believe majority of quarterbacks would benefit from going the Aaron Rogers/Pat Mahomes route. There's no need to throw the rookie qb to the wolves right away. Allow them to sit and learn the playbook for an entire season, give them time to adjust to the game, build confidence for an entire season. Then they can play. What's there to lose, imo? Serious question, have there ever been a rookie quarterback to lead his team to the Superbowl?
I know CJ Stroud dominated his rookie season. But he seems to be the outlier. How many other guys have there been who showed they were absolutely NFL ready day one.
This is why I believe majority of quarterbacks would benefit from going the Aaron Rogers/Pat Mahomes route. There's no need to throw the rookie qb to the wolves right away. Allow them to sit and learn the playbook for an entire season, give them time to adjust to the game, build confidence for an entire season. Then they can play. What's there to lose, imo? Serious question, have there ever been a rookie quarterback to lead his team to the Superbowl?
I know CJ Stroud dominated his rookie season. But he seems to be the outlier. How many other guys have there been who showed they were absolutely NFL ready day one.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 6:08 pm to wilceaux
Warner was discussing Williams I believe
Posted on 2/23/24 at 6:40 pm to RLDSC FAN
Of course, College coaches are paid to win, not develop players.
Winning and using and abusing a 1 trick Qb, who gets you wins>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Development.
You aren't allowing a freshman to learn on the job, when you can bring in a starter now, who can win you games
NFL wants the milk and the cow for free.
Winning and using and abusing a 1 trick Qb, who gets you wins>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Development.
You aren't allowing a freshman to learn on the job, when you can bring in a starter now, who can win you games
NFL wants the milk and the cow for free.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 6:49 pm to iBack8569
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Warner has a point, but he and many other people who criticize college and high school coaching all miss one very important detail: coaches are not being paid to prep guys for the next level. They are paid to coach and win at their level.
I will add that they are being prepared to play against college teams and concepts college defenses use. Also Colleges don't get near the time to prep these college QB's that NFL teams do with their QB's so obviously they aren't going to using much of the pro concepts. Warner is a idiot.
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