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re: As gold as it still is, could Starship Toopers be remade and improved?

Posted on 4/29/24 at 5:24 pm to
Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
30947 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 5:24 pm to
You could make it a lot worse by making it truer to the source material.
Posted by Handsome Pete
Member since Apr 2019
1331 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 5:58 pm to
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You could make it a lot worse by making it truer to the source material

You, sir, can go straight to hell. That book is a classic that I've read and enjoyed multiple times. Robert Heinlein is a sci fi legend. He, Asimov, and Clarke are the Big 3 godfathers of American science fiction. Respect your betters, citizen!
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
21469 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:30 pm to
The sergeant (i guess that was his rank), would be a butch female, the hero would be a female, the males would be soy boys. No, don't remake it.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27692 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 7:44 am to
Huge bugs launching interstellar shitbombs that take out Buenos Aires.....you can't get more campy
Posted by ouflak
Manchester, England
Member since Jul 2021
352 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 1:15 pm to
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But it wasn't a satire of fascism



I don't know what to tell you, guy...

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Others, and Verhoeven himself, have stated that the film was intended to be ironic, and to critique fascism. The film has also been described as criticizing the jingoism of US foreign policy, the military industrial complex, and the society in the film, which elevates violence over sensitivity.




I mean he wouldn't be the first director to intend to get some point across and fail badly. The problem is that he kind of stuck too close to the book on this point. This no autocracy. There is no dictator. There is no cult of personality. Voting is literally of such high importance and virtue that you must be willing to serve, and perhaps even risk dying, to attain the right to do so. There is free speech to such an extant, that in the novel it's actually part of an officer's training to legitimately question the validity of their type of government, and in the film, such topics are brought up in public schools. There is no conscription. All military service is open and voluntary.

There are no racial, ethnic, classist, or religious policies that ban any member of society from participating in society - with the lone exception of voting which very litterally anybody (with the exception of particularly violent criminals in the novel) has the right to try and do to whatever ability they are capable of.

This was all either explicitly portrayed under Verhoeven's direction, or directly implied. If you think that any of that relates to fascism, then to quote you, I don't know what to tell you, guy.
This post was edited on 4/30/24 at 1:16 pm
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
49732 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 2:11 pm to
About the only thing I noticed as "fascist" was the obvious copying of Nazi uniforms.

And the co-ed showers possibly. But even the fascists hadn't gotten there.
Posted by TomballTiger
Htown
Member since Jan 2007
3783 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 3:03 pm to
judge dredd too
Posted by Sterling Archer
Austin
Member since Aug 2012
7333 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 3:09 pm to
Feels ripe for animation
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96345 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 3:22 pm to
Yes, simply because what Verhoeven made was a satire of sci fi militarism rather than an adaptation of the actual book.

It won’t be the same thing but it can be a better movie on its own rights.
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