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re: As gold as it still is, could Starship Toopers be remade and improved?
Posted on 4/28/24 at 5:39 pm to CBandits82
Posted on 4/28/24 at 5:39 pm to CBandits82
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Zero chance it would be improved.
Starship Troopers is great as is and modern film making would make it lesser of a product than it is currently.
This, 100%.
It’s already one of my favorite movies of all time. I always say I’m the only person I know that saw it in theaters, and I saw it twice two days in a row.
But it’s basically perfect as-is. No need to revisit any sort of reboot or remake. I would be on board with a worthy (key word) sequel with the original players. But I’m not sure if anybody would be interested in returning, and I’m not sure if Paul Verhoeven could swing it anymore at his age anyway.
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Posted on 4/28/24 at 6:28 pm to mattchewbocca
The asteroid hits San Francisco instead of Buenos Aires.
And Denise Richards flies spaceships in fuzzy britches.
And Denise Richards flies spaceships in fuzzy britches.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 6:40 pm to mattchewbocca
They should ban you outright just for this thread.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 7:12 pm to prplhze2000
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It was obvious the director hates the military.
No.
He was a child during the Nazi occupation of The Netherlands.
He has vivid memories of allied bombing.
He is an actual anti-fascist.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 7:22 pm to mattchewbocca
You can’t improve on this.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:06 am to MykTide
It is a very fun, watchable, bad movie.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:33 am to LanierSpots
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bad movie.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:55 am to prplhze2000
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It was obvious the director hates the military.
I'd read the books several times before I finally saw the movie. I think the movie did the best job it could of trying to portray the militocracy world they lived in. They even openly question its right to exist morally, ethically, and technically (like they do in the book). And they do that at the public education level. No doubt that the author was highly affected by the experiences of his youth. But to me, he clearly had some admiration for the military. The heroes were in the movie were all military. I don't agree with your take on this.
As far as the topic is concerned, I agree with one of the other posters, try and make a gritty non-PC series out of it, with opportunistic bits of humor thrown in. No way Hollywood could capture the spirit of the original film and I think they would horribly fumble/bumble it into a mess if they tried to re-imagine the original source material with today's attitudes.
This post was edited on 4/29/24 at 8:03 am
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:25 am to prplhze2000
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Yeah , make it as a straight up sci Fi movie and not a parody or satire
Do you even Robert Heinlein, bro?
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:02 am to mattchewbocca
The animated series was 1000 better than the film. It was pure Sci-Fi awesomeness with none of the bullshite from the film.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:41 am to LanierSpots
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bad movie
Posted on 4/29/24 at 10:16 am to mattchewbocca
I don't know if improved, but you could make a hell of a limited sci-fi series out of it if they played it dead serious (as was intended by the author of the book). Turning a serious novel exploring a variety of important ideas about service, government responsibilities, and societal values into a satire was kind of insulting, though I liked the move. This is not likely to happen, as Heinlein unabashedly embraced now right-wing ideas like citizenship and voting rights based on military service (though he also believed in "free love").
This post was edited on 4/29/24 at 10:18 am
Posted on 4/29/24 at 10:24 am to dcw7g
What's wrong with those ideas?
Posted on 4/29/24 at 11:18 am to dcw7g
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right-wing ideas like citizenship
For fear of turning this into a debate that belongs onto another forum, I don't think citizenship is a 'right-wing' idea. And I don't think voting rights are a right-wing idea either. Heinlein certainly expressed some very peculiar views on those subjects in this novel though.
He also had some very strange interpretations of the concept of militarty chain-of-command, not just in this novel, but in several. I'm not sure if he either never completely understood the meaning properly, or just took artistic license to purposely twist the concept to fit the specific theme of whatever story he was working on at the time.
This post was edited on 4/29/24 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 4/29/24 at 11:24 am to ouflak
This post was edited on 4/29/24 at 11:25 am
Posted on 4/29/24 at 12:04 pm to mattchewbocca
Not today. They'd ruin it.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 12:15 pm to prplhze2000
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What's wrong with those ideas?
Nothing at all.
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I don't think citizenship is a 'right-wing' idea.
Citizenship only for those who serve in the military certainly is - at least it's considered right-wing nowadays. That's not to say it's a bad idea. Restricting voting rights to those who serve the country in the military or in some other fashion is an entirely reasonable thought.
That's why Verhoeven making the movie a satire of fascism could be interpreted as insulting to Heinlein. The movie was essentially mocking the soldiers for buying into their government's propaganda and volunteering to fight. As terrible as the bugs were, the movie put all the blame for the war on the Earth government.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 3:57 pm to dcw7g
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That's why Verhoeven making the movie a satire of fascism
But it wasn't a satire of fascism as fascism assumes, by definition, autocratic dictitorial power. There was literally a peaceful transition of power right there on screen fairly early on in the movie.
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The movie was essentially mocking the soldiers for buying into their government's propaganda and volunteering to fight.
Except that most young people didn't join the military, as was alluded to in the shower scene where everybody bared their chests and explained why they in particular joined (easier to obtain a parenting license, pay for college, looking for adventure, and ofcourse... a girl).
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As terrible as the bugs were, the movie put all the blame for the war on the Earth government.
Actually they very explicitly put the blame on independent colonizers who were illegally (as in breaking human government laws) putting down roots in bug territory - even after targeted and specific warnings not do so. I think that's mentioned in the first 5 minutes of the movie.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 4:04 pm to mattchewbocca
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As gold as it still is, could Starship Toopers be remade and improved?
any movie COULD be remade and improved, theoretically. but a true-to-the-book remake of SS (pun intended) Troopers that is a satirical take on multiple topics, some of which would be considered right wing in today's world and some which would be considered left wing, would require a level of expertise and nuance that, frankly, Hollywood is incapable of these days. they would be absolutely incapable of remaking a movie like SST that isnt just a pure bash-fest of their pseudo-elitist perception of what a conservative is, and likewise would be incapable of the slightest hint of criticism at progressivism.
This post was edited on 4/29/24 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 4/29/24 at 4:48 pm to ouflak
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But it wasn't a satire of fascism
I don't know what to tell you, guy...
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Others, and Verhoeven himself, have stated that the film was intended to be ironic, and to critique fascism. The film has also been described as criticizing the jingoism of US foreign policy, the military industrial complex, and the society in the film, which elevates violence over sensitivity.
Nazis in space: how Paul Verhoeven’s Starship Troopers brilliantly skewered fascism
Starship Troopers Wikipedia
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