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re: Shogun - Official Series Discussion Thread **Spoilers**
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:59 pm to rebeloke
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:59 pm to rebeloke
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Those visions were not real. Case in point he return the rosary to the sea. In his dream, he was an old man with the rosary still with him. As he released the rosary he also released his dream of returning home.
Humm, ok, that makes sense. I know in the book and real life he never makes it back to England.
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Posted on 4/23/24 at 2:11 pm to FreddieMac
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We know that ultimately Blackthorn beats Toranaga and gets home.
Not in the book he didn’t.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 5:08 pm to udtiger
this was really the last episode? feels like the story is incomplete. i needed to see Ishido get his. show did not stick the landing but everything else was great
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 4/23/24 at 5:16 pm to Boodis Man
I don't care about the book at all. That finale was hot garbage. What a waste of time.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 5:24 pm to Boodis Man
The book ending is pretty abrupt as well just FYI.
It’s basically “And then Toranaga checkmated the entire nation, destroyed his enemies and Blackthorne was his trusted advisor who was never allowed to leave Japan.”
Might as well have played the Justified theme song about never leaving Harlan alive because Blackthorne never stepped foot on a ship again.
It’s basically “And then Toranaga checkmated the entire nation, destroyed his enemies and Blackthorne was his trusted advisor who was never allowed to leave Japan.”
Might as well have played the Justified theme song about never leaving Harlan alive because Blackthorne never stepped foot on a ship again.
This post was edited on 4/24/24 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 4/23/24 at 5:33 pm to tide06
Loved it. Everything wrapped up in a satisfying fashion.
Was actually a little confused by the "flashbacks" because I remembered that Blackthorn was never allowed to leave Japan.
A great miniseries. If it does not pile up the hardware, just frick everything.
Was actually a little confused by the "flashbacks" because I remembered that Blackthorn was never allowed to leave Japan.
A great miniseries. If it does not pile up the hardware, just frick everything.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:11 pm to udtiger
Shogun was one of the most enjoyable and edge of my seat shows I’ve watched. Fuji-sama was a bawette that would make one adorable wife.
Am I the only one that thought John Blackstone looked a lot like Rick from TWD?
Am I the only one that thought John Blackstone looked a lot like Rick from TWD?
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:13 pm to udtiger
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Was actually a little confused by the "flashbacks" because I remembered that Blackthorn was never allowed to leave Japan.
They weren’t flashbacks. He was suffering from a near death experience and was having dreams of what might be. In the dreams he had the rosary with him but actually released it to sea.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:49 pm to sledgehammer
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Am I the only one that thought John Blackstone looked a lot like Rick from TWD?
I thought he reminded me of a poor man’s Tom Hardy.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:57 pm to rebeloke
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They weren’t flashbacks
I know. That's why I put the word in quotes.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:58 pm to Jsand43
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That finale was hot garbage. What a waste of time.
Disagree. It's just that the finale was last week. For better or worse, this was Mariko's story. The last episode was an epilogue to give some closure for the other characters.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:08 pm to SammyTiger
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really thought he was going to be this absolute psychopath super dark character. He booked a guy alive episode 1.
He’s definitely a psychopath in his own way in the way that he seems to have an obsession with death or ways to die. The whole Japanese culture at the time was that death by sword or earthquake were really the only two ways to go.
Between boiling the guy alive, risking his life to get the Portuguese sailor on the side of the cliff, apparently having his retainer have some kind of list of rankings of ways to die, to begging commit suicide in unconventional or spectacular ways such as shot by a cannon, and even his death poem - he seemed extremely concerned by the method of death.
Which of course is interesting for a guy that betrays people left and right to keep his own head on his shoulders.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:15 pm to theGarnetWay
He also grunted a lot
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:26 pm to Green Chili Tiger
he was also in Battleship
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:28 pm to boomtown143
so does Yoshii Toranaga want to be Shogun? was that always his plan?
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:29 pm to boomtown143
Great finale and series start to finish
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:55 pm to boomtown143
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so does Yoshii Toranaga want to be Shogun? was that always his plan?
Yes. In the book he admits his inner thoughts to himself. He explains it all. Even eliminating the heir and his mother.
It also goes on to let you know he wins and how Ishido dies.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:01 pm to Azazello
I was not expecting a finale like that, but I like it.
The past three shows I've watched have been this, Tokyo Vice, and The Gentlemen. All have been fantastic the whole way through.
The past three shows I've watched have been this, Tokyo Vice, and The Gentlemen. All have been fantastic the whole way through.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:28 pm to BottomlandBrew
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The past three shows I've watched have been this, Tokyo Vice, and The Gentlemen. All have been fantastic the whole way through.
see my golden age of TV thread. People dismiss how much good stuff is on because of the overabundance of garbage, but quality right now is through the roof.
going to to try and knock this out tonight. i expect a lot of people will be disappointed, but not know that it's how the book ended TBH.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:58 pm to 3nOut
I thought it was a beautiful ending to a fantastic series. I thought the quietness of the finale matched the tone of the series. Yabushige went out like a champ. That scene was so well done.
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