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re: How would the people stuck in the I95 snowstorm have fared in electric vehicles?
Posted on 1/5/22 at 2:09 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Posted on 1/5/22 at 2:09 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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For Ida I thought about this a lot. I always had access to power. I did not always have access to fuel.
I had access to power because I had fuel.
Same. Hurricane preparation is multi-layered. No one said to get rid of it. We were talking about evacuation though where obtaining fuel and sitting on the road is an issue.
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Posted on 1/5/22 at 2:10 pm to nugget
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They can just put a solar panel on their car and it will provide more electricity than they know what to do with
they would need the secondary polar panels this time around.
Posted on 1/5/22 at 2:11 pm to weagle99
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How would the people stuck in the I95 snowstorm have fared in electric vehicles?
Were there no EVs in that event?
Posted on 1/5/22 at 2:14 pm to weagle99
Fire and EMT would rush to save them, only to realize we don’t have enough fire and EMT to save everyone. So the answer would be hire more fire and EMT personnel in case there’s a next time. The entire fire and EMT dept would be equipped with snow buggies and other single use equipment in case there’s a next time. Etc and so forth.
This post was edited on 1/5/22 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 1/5/22 at 2:17 pm to weagle99
An EV is much more efficient at heating the car because it does not need to maintain the inertia, against running friction, of a giant engine. In short the EV does not need to be "running" only the heater would be. So although I have no experience, I'd guess the EV would last a lot longer than the ICE.
Posted on 1/5/22 at 2:18 pm to BayouBlitz
Are we also assuming that people in this storm can’t get out and into other vehicles to save on power consumption?
Sit in my car for a few hours, then we’ll sit in your car for a few hours, etc.
Sit in my car for a few hours, then we’ll sit in your car for a few hours, etc.
Posted on 1/5/22 at 2:19 pm to EA6B
quote:Nah. It's always tough to get fueled up before a storm due to runs at the pumps and shortages, so many vehicles were trying to evacuate with less than a full tank. Many EVs leave the house with a full charge every morning, and especially before a storm owners would charge up.
During hurricane Katrina evacuation there were people stranded on the highways for many hours. When many started running out of gas fuel trucks were sent out on the highways to supply them with gas. Those driving a EV would have been SOL.
Posted on 1/5/22 at 2:21 pm to Korkstand
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owners would charge up.
The usual retort to this is that people who live in apartments or park on the street are not able to charge. Absolutes are all people understand
Posted on 1/5/22 at 2:31 pm to Obtuse1
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That just underscores how incredibly inefficient an ICE vehicle is when a small portion of the energy wasted as heat can heat the cabin even in the coldest temps.
Unless you have strong engineering experience in heat transfer systems and understand thermal flux you should probably just bow out as I can assure you it is not a "small amount". Especially in regions that have real winters to contend with. Unlike you, I have real vehicle datalogs to show how much of an impact running a heater can have on overall ECT during northern winters.
Posted on 1/5/22 at 2:41 pm to Clames
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Unless you have strong engineering experience in heat transfer systems and understand thermal flux you should probably just bow out as I can assure you it is not a "small amount". Especially in regions that have real winters to contend with. Unlike you, I have real vehicle datalogs to show how much of an impact running a heater can have on overall ECT during northern winters.
Since you are so confident show your work.
Posted on 1/5/22 at 3:18 pm to Clames
Guy named Bjørn Nyland has a YouTube channel where he does a LOT of EV testing with various cars and scenarios. Lots of road trips, lots of camping, etc. Here are the results from a 2021 Tesla Model 3 in camp mode in below-freezing temps:
I believe he kept the cabin around 65F overnight. He did have heat shields on the windows, not sure how much that helped. He also does real world cold weather range tests on a variety of EVs.
Great channel if you need more data for your logs.
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0°C: 0.9 kW
-8°C: 1.3 kW
-11°C: 1.1 kW
-25°C: 1.95 kW
I believe he kept the cabin around 65F overnight. He did have heat shields on the windows, not sure how much that helped. He also does real world cold weather range tests on a variety of EVs.
Great channel if you need more data for your logs.
Posted on 1/5/22 at 3:28 pm to nugget
Exactly how do solar panels work during a snow storm and at night?
Posted on 1/5/22 at 3:45 pm to Korkstand
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Great channel if you need more data for your logs.
Posted on 1/5/22 at 5:05 pm to jmarto1
Wareagle must be heavily leveraged in ExxonMobil stock.
Posted on 1/5/22 at 7:15 pm to Splackavellie
Those elect vehicle people are terrible polluters.
Posted on 1/5/22 at 7:28 pm to weagle99
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They were stranded for almost 24 hours in freezing temperatures.
I assume the batteries can power heaters that long and then drive away? Or someone could bring them cans of electricity to pour into the cars if they were running low?
FWIW, Several yrs ago a section of I24 in KY got overwhelmed with a localized snowstorm of about 18-24" in 24 hrs. It closed about 40 miles of the interstate and the National Guard had to go out and rescue a bunch of stranded motorists. The biggest issue was most of these people ran out of gas while their car was stuck from running the engine for heat.
FWIW also I am not a big fan of EV's either. Niece's husband recently bought a Tesla and in a 6 hr drive they had to stop twice to charge at a supercharger facility.
Posted on 1/5/22 at 7:33 pm to Korkstand
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I believe he kept the cabin around 65F overnight. He did have heat shields on the windows, not sure how much that helped. He also does real world cold weather range tests on a variety of EVs.
Great channel if you need more data for your logs.
Using LFP batteries that not every Tesla, let alone EV's in general, use. Now show the data for a Tesla older than 2021. Maybe one day you clods will learn to stop cherry picking your data points. Probably around the time Biden becomes not a drooling moron.
Posted on 1/5/22 at 7:48 pm to Box Geauxrilla
quote:I’d let Paige or tigerhoney share my warmth fur shure.
Are we also assuming that people in this storm can’t get out and into other vehicles to save on power consumption? Sit in my car for a few hours, then we’ll sit in your car for a few hours, etc.
Not so much you other morans.
Posted on 1/5/22 at 7:53 pm to Clames
quote:You think the type of battery changes how much power the heater draws?
Using LFP batteries that not every Tesla, let alone EV's in general, use.
quote:Model X, video posted 2017
Now show the data for a Tesla older than 2021.
-17C, 1.5kw average consumption overnight
Kia e-Niro
-23C, 1.9kw average consumption over 6 hours
VW ID3
-25C, 3.4kw average overnight
quote:Maybe one day you will stop being an absolute dumbass who thinks he knows everything. Probably not, though.
Maybe one day you clods will learn to stop cherry picking your data points.
Posted on 1/5/22 at 8:28 pm to Korkstand
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Probably not, though.
Zero chance. It’s like this entire country is simultaneously experiencing a mass psychogenic illness that necessitates them submitting to the Dunning-Kruger Effect in every aspect of their lives. Is what it is.
It’s appropriate that the annual awards for idiots killing themselves in idiotic fashion is named after the man who wrote in his book The Descent of Man, "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.”
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