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re: HAMAS is the new BLM and it’s not even November yet
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:35 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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Those paradigms are rational in nature.
No it isn’t. It neither rational, sincere, or serious.
If these larpers were serious about saving innocent lives in Gaza, they would demand Hamas release the hostages and the leader of Hamas surrender to stand trial in an international court for terrorism.
Have you noticed how there is zero conversation about hostages?
There protests are being funded by groups somewhere with intentions of dividing Americans.
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Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:37 am to Rebel
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. It neither rational, sincere, or serious.
What is not rational, sincere, or serious about perceived marginalized/oppressor dynamics?
Or discussing the effects of colonialization?
Again, by staying rational, it doesn't mean the POV is "correct".
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If these larpers were serious about saving innocent lives in Gaza, they would demand Hamas release the hostages and the leader of Hamas surrender to stand trial in an international court for terrorism.
That's a framing issue, not an emotional issue.
The framing actually denotes rationality.
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There protests are being funded by groups somewhere with intentions of dividing Americans.
This division already exist, and has existed for 60-70 years.
This is just the latest inflammation of an old partisan divide.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:40 am to SlowFlowPro
Is the goal to end the decimation of Gaza or decimate Israel?
One of those is rational. The other isn’t.
One of those is rational. The other isn’t.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:40 am to stout
It does give me those vibes for sure.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:44 am to Rebel
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Is the goal to end the decimation of Gaza or decimate Israel?
One of those is rational. The other isn’t.
Sounds like you're still mixing up being rational with being correct.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:47 am to SlowFlowPro
man, that democrat convention this summer in chicago is going to be wilder than the 1968 convention.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:49 am to stout
Which group has a lower average IQ? I think it’d pretty close
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:52 am to SlowFlowPro
Calling for peace is rational.
Calling for the destruction of a nation is irrational.
The students protesting are larping. They are emotional not serious. Violence will happen. It’s inevitable People that aren’t prone to violence will get caught up in it.
This is not unlike what happened Jan 6th. Get a mob riled up and then have an agitator throw 1 brick.
Calling for the destruction of a nation is irrational.
The students protesting are larping. They are emotional not serious. Violence will happen. It’s inevitable People that aren’t prone to violence will get caught up in it.
This is not unlike what happened Jan 6th. Get a mob riled up and then have an agitator throw 1 brick.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:53 am to stout
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That means he must have missed the countless arguments I have made about how Jews are the only religion that tries to garner sympathy by calling everything anti-semantic and also trying to claim to be a race to gain race-baiting sympathy too despite nowhere in the world being classified as a race
I think you're confusing Zionism and Judaism.
Judaism has been around for a few millennia and survived and thrived without Zionism.
Zionism's rule#1 is to claim victimhood. It helps justify all actions, even when they are the oppressors.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:53 am to texag7
Hamas = BLM = Antifa.... Professional Political Protesters.. Wake up people!
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:23 am to stout
The pro Hamas crowd and BLM crowd is definitely one in the same.
however, unlike 2020 with BLM, this issue is dividing the left rather than galvanizing it.
Stupid college kids will always be stupid college kids, and it really is dismaying to know they are the future of our country. But as someone to alluded to earlier, I'm not sure suburban white women are all in on the pro Hamas narrative like they were with BLM.
however, unlike 2020 with BLM, this issue is dividing the left rather than galvanizing it.
Stupid college kids will always be stupid college kids, and it really is dismaying to know they are the future of our country. But as someone to alluded to earlier, I'm not sure suburban white women are all in on the pro Hamas narrative like they were with BLM.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:42 am to Rebel
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Calling for peace is rational.
Calling for the destruction of a nation is irrational.
Which nation invaded the other?
Which nation is destroying the other right now?
I'm pro-Israel in this situation, but your argument is not a one-way street and applies to Israel, too.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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Which nation invaded the other?
It was the Jews homeland first. But that’s such a weak argument.
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Which nation is destroying the other right now?
Israel is actively defending themselves against Hamas, not Palestine. Is the West Bank being attacked?
How did these Palestinians even come across Gaza? Was it not gifted to them after Israel acquired it from Egypt?
These protests are not about ending the current war in Gaza. That would be rational.
They are calling for the destruction of Israel. That is irrational.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:14 am to SlowFlowPro
And what about the hostages?
Why aren’t these virtuous students demanding their release?
Why aren’t these virtuous students demanding their release?
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:15 am to Rebel
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It’s starting to happen at public universities now. There will turn to riots soon enough.
different type of protestors.
1 doesnt have the stones
and arabs rioting wouldnt get the same reaction as blm rioters.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:24 am to Rebel
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It was the Jews homeland first.
Already addressed
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That's a framing issue, not an emotional issue.
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Israel is actively defending themselves against Hamas, not Palestine.
...where?
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How did these Palestinians even come across Gaza? Was it not gifted to them after Israel acquired it from Egypt?
Again, already covered ITT
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That's a framing issue, not an emotional issue.
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These protests are not about ending the current war in Gaza. That would be rational.
They are calling for the destruction of Israel.
It's rational when you see this as Israel calling for the destruction of Palestine. The only thing that flips that is framing.
Again, this isn't an "emotion v. logic" scenario. It's a framing issue.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:32 am to SlowFlowPro
I think we are at an impasse.
I understand due to your condition, it is important for you to have the last word.
So answer this. Is Israel attacking Palestine? Are they bombing the West Bank? Or are they attacking Hamas in Gaza?
I understand due to your condition, it is important for you to have the last word.
So answer this. Is Israel attacking Palestine? Are they bombing the West Bank? Or are they attacking Hamas in Gaza?
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:48 am to Rebel
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So answer this. Is Israel attacking Palestine? Are they bombing the West Bank? Or are they attacking Hamas in Gaza?
Israel is attacking Palestine and Hamas in Gaza (not the West Bank)
And, what does this have to do with being rational or emotional?
Seems like you're trying to argue the merits now
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