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re: Trump, Contempt and the Secret Service
Posted on 4/19/24 at 1:30 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Posted on 4/19/24 at 1:30 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:Presumably to give the court independent confirmation of the location of the defendant at all times and to ensure compliance with a "house arrest" order issued in conjunction with a finding of criminal contempt.
The point of an ankle monitor in this scenario would be?
I suppose the response would be that the Secret Service could provide the judge with that confirmation, but the Secret Service does not work for the New York state court system. Its loyalties are arguably elsewhere, and it is not difficult to argue that the judge is entitled to have his orders enforced by people who are statutorily required to follow HIS instructions.
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Posted on 4/19/24 at 1:31 pm to OzonaOkapi
He would never need an ankle monitor. He has law enforcement with him at all times always…. The secret service
He will also never be jailed. The democrats know that would make him a Mandela-like figure
He will also never be jailed. The democrats know that would make him a Mandela-like figure
Posted on 4/19/24 at 1:31 pm to VoxDawg
There was a juror Blanche tried to get dismissed due to a video she posted on social media celebrating Trump's 2020 loss - a detail she lied about in the questionnaire. Merchan actually admonished Trump for being visibly annoyed by her being allowed onto the jury anyway.
You can't make this up.
You can't make this up.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 1:35 pm to OzonaOkapi
He is the most famous and recognizable human on earth and has an around the clock secret service detail. Where the frick is going to go?
Your thread is stupid, and you only started it as a trojan horse. One you'll turn into a seething commie Trump bashing exercise eventually.
Your thread is stupid, and you only started it as a trojan horse. One you'll turn into a seething commie Trump bashing exercise eventually.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 1:36 pm to TrueTiger
quote:Ankle monitors do not exist to prevent criminal defendants from "keeping secrets." They exist to allow a court to confirm (real time) that a criminal defendant is complying with an order for "house arrest."quote:Exactly. There is no where in the world Trump go and it be kept secret.
The point of an ankle monitor in this scenario would be?
I suppose that an alternative would be to add a court marshal to the Trump SS detail, so that the court would have admissible evidence ... if the defendant to stray from his allowed territory.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 1:42 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:You really seem to want this to be "about Trump," rather than an interesting case study about the authority of state courts versus the obligations of the Secret Service.
He is the most famous and recognizable human on earth and has an around the clock secret service detail. Where the frick is going to go?
OK, let's do that.
Maybe he is found in contempt, placed on house arrest, and allowed to be only at Trump Tower, at the court house or on the most direct route between the two. He decides that he wants to detour to SoHo to do some campaigning. Is the Secret Service going to tell him "no?" are they going to cooperate when the state court judge needs evidence to support a finding that he has violated the terms of his house arrest?
You seem to start from the premise that a former POTUS is just not subject to the authority of state courts, and I submit that your premise is false.
quote:Or maybe you lack intellectual curiosity.
Your thread is stupid,
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 4/19/24 at 1:46 pm to OzonaOkapi
A former president is not going to go to jail nor wear an ankle monitor.
Trump should tell the judge to frick off and walk out.
Trump should tell the judge to frick off and walk out.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 1:47 pm to OzonaOkapi
You are giving this sorry excuse for a judge a lot more credit than you should. What restraint has he shown thus far?!?!
Posted on 4/19/24 at 1:49 pm to VoxDawg
Secret service is the least of his issues
Who will do hid hair and paint him orange for the day?
Takes a village to raise that child
Who will do hid hair and paint him orange for the day?
Takes a village to raise that child
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:05 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
quote:Are all Americans immune to the enforcement of state criminal laws, only former Presidents or only Donald Trump?
Trump should tell the judge to frick off and walk out.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:13 pm to OzonaOkapi
quote:
A former POTUS is just a private citizen, and he is subject to judicial process just like you or me ... or at least he SHOULD be. Secret Service is tasked with preventing crazy people from killing him, but I would be VERY surprised if their statutory authority extends to "interfering with state-level judicial orders."
I wasn't suggesting they would interfere. In fact I believe they would be bound to uphold it and limit his movements/monitor etc.
quote:
Is Secret Service obligated (or even AUTHORIZED) to prevent officers of the State of Missouri from arresting him? Do they engage in a firefight to prevent it?
Absolutely no to either of those things. In fact, its the opposite I believe. They would cooperate fully and completely with a lawful court order or warrant. They'll be going with him, but the SS isn't going to prevent his arrest, etc.
quote:
how would they be justified in preventing a state judge from ordering the use of an ankle monitor in enforcing a criminal contempt ruling?
I don't think the SS would prevent it. I don't think a judge would bother with a monitor, as the SS would practically ensure that Trump never violated any sort of court order restricting his movements.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:13 pm to OzonaOkapi
No one is, but civil disobedience - especially in a case like this - can be a powerful symbolic tool. Two in three polled believe Trump is a victim of lawfare, so Trump is going to dare this judge to throw him in jail for the sin of leaving NY. We all know Trump eventually prevails in the end, but the authoritarian stain this case leaves on the left might never wash out.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:19 pm to Indefatigable
quote:I would hope that you are correct, and I think that you PROBABLY are.quote:I don't think the SS would prevent it. I don't think a judge would bother with a monitor, as the SS would practically ensure that Trump never violated any sort of court order restricting his movements.
how would they be justified in preventing a state judge from ordering the use of an ankle monitor in enforcing a criminal contempt ruling?
The question in my mind is whether a state criminal judge would be obligated to rely upon that level of confidence in the neutrality of the Secret Service.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:21 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:No, the poll said that one in three believes that he is "not guilty."
Two in three polled believe Trump is a victim of lawfare
I suspect that nine of ten do not even know the meaning of the term "lawfare."
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:25 pm to OzonaOkapi
quote:
You really seem to want this to be "about Trump," rather than an interesting case study about the authority of state courts versus the obligations of the Secret Service.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:29 pm to OzonaOkapi
No way they put a monitor on him. And they're not going to get him into a prison in any fashion either. Secret Service would get a hernia laughing at the cops that showed up to execute that order.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:31 pm to OzonaOkapi
i dont care what you think, Hank. People know what this "trial" is.
AP for the source Nazis
quote:
Only 1 in 3 US adults think Trump acted illegally in New York hush money case, AP-NORC poll shows
AP for the source Nazis
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:32 pm to Captain Rumbeard
Hank thinks some state troopers in Missouri are going to roll through secret service ranks and arrest Trump for violating a fricking ankle monitor. He is stroking himself to the thought of it now.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:35 pm to OzonaOkapi
I would think that the secret service would not want any device on him that would pinpoint his location.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:38 pm to TrueTiger
No, but leftists like Hank would.
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