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re: Whole Foods workers going on strike
Posted on 3/30/20 at 4:39 pm to Cosmo
Posted on 3/30/20 at 4:39 pm to Cosmo
quote:It's weird to me how everyone talks about loving free markets - but the one exception seems to always be in the market for labor. Why do we hate employees trying to maximize the price for their labor?
Nice cash grab attempt
(It seems to be the same weird streak that runs through professional sports - complete deference to the owners and anger at players for trying to get more.)
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Posted on 3/30/20 at 4:48 pm to IHateToThinkIDidnt
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I guarantee you it will take you as long or longer to learn to do what I do everyday then it would take me to learn what you do.
As the half dozen or so posters who know me outside of this board know, I am a chemical engineer. I'm going to disagree with you on your learning curve assessment.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 4:51 pm to ibldprplgld
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They can wear a mask, or they can quit. No one is forcing them into the trenches. Demanding double pay is ludicrous.
Double might be a bit extreme but it's not ridiculous to ask for a significant raise. 20-30% sounds more than reasonable IMO
Posted on 3/30/20 at 4:52 pm to Erin Go Bragh
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As the half dozen or so posters who know me outside of this board know, I am a chemical engineer. I'm going to disagree with you on your learning curve assessment.
Sure
But his point is you couldn't walk in and immediately replace him. It might take you months to get up to the same level of competence that he is, perhaps years.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 5:05 pm to Zach
I always work two jobs (one full and PT on the side). I didn't get a pt job with the local whole foods that just opened but I might put in an application now.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 5:06 pm to Powerman
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But his point is you couldn't walk in and immediately replace him
Certainly true. However, if I was going to replace a meat cutter it would be with an experienced meat cutter.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 5:15 pm to Zach
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Whole Foods workers going on strike
Man, let me tell ya some shite right frickin' now. A bad economy will shut that frickin' place down toots sweet.
Places where you spend five dollars on coffee, fancy grocery stores, doggy day care providers, mall shops that sell hundred dollar jeans. All the shite like that, keep an eye on it.
When you see those stupid frickin' places close for good, you'll know there's a problem. Until then, there ain't nothing wrong with this economy.
After this stay at home bullshite passes. If dumb frickin' businesses like edible fruit arrangements or whatever survive, you'll know things are just fine.
If not. Sit on your case of beans with a frickin' shotgun.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 5:15 pm to Erin Go Bragh
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I guarantee you it will take you as long or longer to learn to do what I do everyday then it would take me to learn what you do.
As the half dozen or so posters who know me outside of this board know, I am a chemical engineer. I'm going to disagree with you on your learning curve assessment
Also I stated this which you didnt quote.
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I guarantee you it will take you as long or longer to learn to do what I do everyday then it would take me to learn what you do. Outside of Doctors and Engineers of course.
I'm pretty f****** sure I said outside of doctors and engineers. Guaranteed it would still take you a long time to learn it. Or do you think you could be a proficient butcher in a day? How long do you think it would take you to become proficient at it?
This post was edited on 3/30/20 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 3/30/20 at 5:24 pm to IHateToThinkIDidnt
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How long do you think it would take you to become proficient at it?
I'm not sure why you thought that was a point that had to be made but we all know that no one is proficient at any task until they are trained or educated in that field.
I hope no one at Whole Foods believes they can't be replaced. It would a sad lesson for them to learn.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 5:25 pm to IHateToThinkIDidnt
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I'm pretty f****** sure I said outside of doctors and engineers. Guaranteed it would still take you a long time to learn it. Or do you think you could be a proficient butcher in a day? How long do you think it would take you to become proficient at it?
If you want people to respect your profession, you should probably show respect toward others.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 5:27 pm to Erin Go Bragh
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I hope no one at Whole Foods believes they can't be replaced. It would a sad lesson for them to learn
I agree. Anyone can be replaced regardless of how many degrees you have or how much experience you have. Did you see where I quoted doctors and engineers?
Posted on 3/30/20 at 5:28 pm to Erin Go Bragh
quote:
Certainly true. However, if I was going to replace a meat cutter it would be with an experienced meat cutter.
Right. But I doubt few of them are unemployed at the moment. The supply/demand dynamics might suggest that they're due for a pay raise.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 5:29 pm to Powerman
Just give them all a pair of Birkenstock’s and be done with it.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 5:29 pm to Dawgfanman
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f you want people to respect your profession, you should probably show respect toward others
I was a little perturbed about everything I posted he overlooks that I said that and didn't quote that I said outside of doctors and engineers but calls me out over it.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 5:30 pm to IHateToThinkIDidnt
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id you see where I quoted doctors and engineers?
Yes, and admittedly I missed that qualifier.
That said, most of the posters here, even ones I disagree with, are bright enough to learn a new task if they have to redirect their employment plans.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 5:33 pm to Powerman
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Right. But I doubt few of them are unemployed at the moment. The supply/demand dynamics might suggest that they're due for a pay raise
We've actually brought two people from other departments that have some cutting experience over in the last week. Getting about 70 hours added to our department plus we have been working 55 hrs each since the first of March.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 5:33 pm to wutangfinancial
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I actually respect bending the company over when they're desperate for labor. Nice negotiating tactic.
Is that sarcasm? There are millions of new people entering the workforce. Workers leverage = 0.
Their time to negotiate was when unemployment was at an all-time low. Not when they can easily be replaced tomorrow.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 5:34 pm to Erin Go Bragh
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Yes, and admittedly I missed that qualifier
I know my limitations.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 5:42 pm to Zach
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The most obvious demand we have is for an increase in hazard pay. We’re asking for double pay,” a Whole Foods worker in Chicago and organizer of the “sick-out”
People all over the country are being furloughed and/or experiencing income loss and this ignorant bish wants more money.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 5:47 pm to wutangfinancial
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I actually respect bending the company over when they're desperate for labor. Nice negotiating tactic.
There were close to a million employees on strike every day somewhere in the United States during WW2. The greatest generation knew how to leverage a market....almost all of those strikes were, by the way, strikes called by workers outside of national labor unions who had pledged not to slow down war production over labor disputes....they were non-union workers fed up with low wages, long hours and unsafe working conditions and being told they had to sacrifice on all three fronts when the share holders were making money hand over fist and not sacrificing anything....
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