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re: Would you support government or Christian’s in the United States?

Posted on 4/18/24 at 12:01 am to
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41658 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 12:01 am to
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Now you're getting it.
There's nothing to "get", because I was merely mocking your irrational perspective on things.

Even in this response, it shows that you think there is some objective truth for me to "get". You're being irrational.

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You don't eat bacon or ice cream?
I do a lot of things for the glory of God, since that is the purpose I was created for. You are not doing what you were created to do.

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K. We'll see.
We will, however by the time you see it, it'll be too late for you. Repent.

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Authority doesn't mean objective.
Again, you don't understand what the terms mean.

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Your moral standard is based on your interpretation of what others have told you is your god's moral standard.

Subjective.
No, my moral standard is based on what God has said it should be.

Objective.

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We have subjective morality, and nothing more.

You don't know your god's character. You know what others have told you it is.
No, we have objective morality that comes from the source of all that is morally good. God's character is the standard for objective morality.

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No, you don't.
Yes, I do.

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You have your version.
I have the truth
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41658 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 12:04 am to
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It is.
It isn't.

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Yes it does.

Knowing your emotions, and being open and honest about them aren't the same thing. It's fear.
No, it doesn't.

I'm being honest about my emotions. Not fear.

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Can't wait.
Only because you don't believe there will be any. I hope for your sake that God changes your heart before you have to find out.

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Says you.

"The atheist..."

FooLaneCraig coming out again.
Says God.

I'd say "DisplacedBuckeye" but "the atheist" is more generic.

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You should spend less time preoccupied with who cares about what.
The truth requires me to care about what others care about, at least to a certain extent. Unlike you, it seems.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41658 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 12:05 am to
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Coincidentally, it does.
If beliefs originate from a common source on purpose, I'm not so sure that counts as coincidence.

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YEEEEEEEUP
Nah
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41658 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 12:07 am to
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The difference here is that I'm not pretending to do anything else. It's entirely intentional, and it always will be.
Of course it is. Because no one is worthy of having a discussion with you except those who already agree with you, except that betrays the inconsistency of your worldview. You act as if there is objective truth to discus when you claim there is none. You act as if there's meaning in life when you say there isn't. You are a hypocrite.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71493 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 12:07 am to
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I was merely mocking


Like I said...now you're getting it.

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I do a lot of things for the glory of God, since that is the purpose I was created for. You are not doing what you were created to do.


You eat bacon and ice cream for the glory of your god? Maybe you're onto something...

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We will, however by the time you see it, it'll be too late for you. Repent.


K. We'll see.

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Again, you don't understand what the terms mean.


Authority doesn't mean objective.

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No, my moral standard is based on what God has said it should be.

Objective.


Your moral standard is based on your interpretation of what others have told you is your god's moral standard.

Subjective.

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No, we have objective morality that comes from the source of all that is morally good. God's character is the standard for objective morality.


We have subjective morality, and nothing more.

You don't know your god's character. You know what others have told you it is.

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Yes, I do.


No, you don't.

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I have the truth.


You have your version.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71493 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 12:10 am to
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It isn't.


It is.

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No, it dosn't.

I'm being honest about my emotions. Not fear.


Yes it does.

Knowing your emotions, and being open and honest about them aren't the same thing. It's fear.

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Only because you don't believe there will be any. I hope for your sake that God changes your heart before you have to find out.


Can't wait.

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Says God.

I'd say "DisplacedBuckeye" but "the atheist" is more generic.


Says you.

You'd say "DisplacedBuckeye" but they teach "the atheist" at the William Lane Craig College of Apologetics.

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The truth requires me to care about what others care about, at least to a certain extent. Unlike you, it seems.


You should spend less time preoccupied with who cares about what.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71493 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 12:10 am to
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If beliefs originate from a common source on purpose, I'm not so sure that counts as coincidence.


Coincidentally, it does.

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Nah


YEEEEEEEUP
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71493 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 12:12 am to
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Of course it is. Because no one is worthy of having a discussion with you except those who already agree with you, except that betrays the inconsistency of your worldview. You act as if there is objective truth to discus when you claim there is none. You act as if there's meaning in life when you say there isn't. You are a hypocrite.


No one who asserts that they know The Truth is interested in discussion. You're here to proselytize. I won't participate in such nonsense. I'll mock you and make you chase your tail, and you'll deserve every bit of it.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
1775 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 6:10 am to
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Whenever you have been shown to be wrong about something



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If you ever change your mind and act like a person who wants to have a serious discussion, I might oblige

We know the truth. Your beliefs are wackadoodle and are indefensible. You aren’t fooling anyone.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
1775 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 6:51 am to
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FooHamChoo is getting close to asking us if we were there when the universe was created.

He wouldn’t have convicted OJ, because he wasn’t there to witness the crime.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48313 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 8:54 am to
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I take the Bible seriously


You don't. That's the thing. You DON'T take the Word of God seriously. If you did, you'd follow what Christ handed down to the Apostles AND you'd follow the Septuagint.

So, no. You have allowed John Calvin and Mr. Craig to delude you. You do not take the Word of God seriously.

Your particular sect has fewer than 10,000 adherents in the entire USA. You believe that the Catholic Pope is the Anti Christ. You believe that Roman Catholics are NOT Christians. You believe that the Earth and the Universe are roughly 6,000 years old.

Nobody should take anything you say seriously, because you are a walking-talking absurdity.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41658 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 9:57 am to
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No one who asserts that they know The Truth is interested in discussion. You're here to proselytize. I won't participate in such nonsense. I'll mock you and make you chase your tail, and you'll deserve every bit of it.
I'm happy to make you chase your tail from time to time, as well, since you don't take these things seriously. You have an irrational worldview and you act as an arbiter for truth and a gatekeeper for serious discussion. It's a shame you are so blind. You demand everything from those you engage with while offering nothing yourself. Such a shame.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41658 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 9:59 am to
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We know the truth. Your beliefs are wackadoodle and are indefensible. You aren’t fooling anyone.
I've spent years defending my beliefs exactly because they are defensible. What are indefensible are your positions on biblical theology. You act as if you are an expert but don't know some concepts that my kids learned in Sunday School.
Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
64169 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:01 am to
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but in this scenario if the US government began arresting and imprisoned or even killing Christians would you stand up again the government by any means necessary and support Christians or would you say meh, whatever not my business. Or net want to draw attention to your own Christian beliefs by getting involved?


I’d support any group that the government began rounding up and persecuting provide they weren’t nefarious or pose a threat to our citizenry.
Posted by Audustxx
Member since Jul 2022
1088 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:04 am to
Render unto Caesar which is Caesars and God which is Gods
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
22236 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:16 am to
As a fairly devout non-believer who believes in individual liberty I feel a natural albeit somewhat uneasy affinity to Christianity. Despite the mindless claims of religion as "objective truth" the Enlightenment remains a significant influence for the better in modern Christianity.
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 10:25 am
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71493 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:21 am to
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I'm happy to make you chase your tail from time to time, as well, since you don't take these things seriously.


My dog thinks it's his idea, too.

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You have an irrational worldview and you act as an arbiter for truth and a gatekeeper for serious discussion. It's a shame you are so blind. You demand everything from those you engage with while offering nothing yourself. Such a shame.


You're quite literally describing yourself here, sport.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41658 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 11:33 am to
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You don't. That's the thing. You DON'T take the Word of God seriously. If you did, you'd follow what Christ handed down to the Apostles AND you'd follow the Septuagint.
When I say that I take the Bible seriously, why do you respond that I don't because I don't follow what you claim Jesus handed down outside of the Bible? How is that a refutation of my statement?

Also, when you say if I took the word of God seriously that I would follow the Septuagint, does this mean you are finally going to answer my question that I've been asking you over and over again to no avail so far? Does the RCC accept the entire Septuagint as the inspired, authoritative word of God?

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So, no. You have allowed John Calvin and Mr. Craig to delude you. You do not take the Word of God seriously.
I find that interesting coming from you, since I'm the one who holds the Scriptures as the highest and only infallible authority for all Christians (sola scriptura) while you don't, but make them co-equal (and in practice, inferior) to other standards.

I read the Bible every day and seek to be conformed to what it teaches.

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Your particular sect has fewer than 10,000 adherents in the entire USA.
Absolutely irrelevant, and you know this. The core elements of what I believe are held to by hundreds of thousands of members across multiple denominations in America and even more across the world. Even so, truth is not determined by counting noses. If it were, Islam would be the "correct" religion. I've said this to you specifically multiple times, so I'd suggest you stop using that argument as some sort of "gotcha", as it isn't as strong as you think it is, and rather it betrays an ignorance in you of what constitutes truth.

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You believe that the Catholic Pope is the Anti Christ.
I actually believe he is an antichrist. He assumes the titles and roles of Jesus Christ, Himself, and teaches a false gospel.

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You believe that Roman Catholics are NOT Christians.
I didn't say that all Roman Catholics are not Christians. I said that Roman Catholicism teaches a false gospel. Those who believe the false gospel are not Christians according to the Scriptures, themselves, just like Mormons are not Christians because of the false gospel they proclaim.

I truly believe there are many professing Roman Catholics who are saved.

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You believe that the Earth and the Universe are roughly 6,000 years old.
This has been the understanding of the Church for a long, long time. The only reason why you reject this now is because you hold other authorities up over the Scriptures. And even if you merely disagreed, you have to accept that the Scriptures allow for a young-earth view to be held by Christians. Many Catholics still believe in YEC today. Are you going to say that your fellow Catholics are deluded, deceived, and absurd for this historical and Biblical position?

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Nobody should take anything you say seriously, because you are a walking-talking absurdity.
I don't care what others think about me personally. I'm not here to push the Church of FooManChoo. I'm here to proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ and to apply a Biblical worldview to current events to show both the absurdity of non-Christian worldviews as well as the preferential (necessary, really) adherence to a Biblical worldview.

From how you write about me, it seems you are harboring hatred towards me in your heart. I suggest you repent of that if that's the case, since hating your neighbor is in direct contradiction to the command of Christ.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41658 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 11:35 am to
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You're quite literally describing yourself here, sport.
If you had the truth on your side, you could certainly be a gatekeeper for it and police everyone else who doesn't conform to the truth, but because you believe everything is relative and subjective, you can't rationally act that way.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71493 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 11:47 am to
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If you had the truth on your side, you could certainly be a gatekeeper for it and police everyone else who doesn't conform to the truth


Right, and that's what you're trying to do.

You have your version of truth, and you think you have some authority to be a gatekeeper and police everyone else who doesn't conform to your version of truth.

You'd have been a happier person if you were born somewhere like Afghanistan.
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