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re: Indiana cop fired after body slamming teenage girl
Posted on 4/20/24 at 11:36 pm to DesScorp
Posted on 4/20/24 at 11:36 pm to DesScorp
quote:Wanting to know why you've been pulled over = utter arse and instigating????
What would you do to your daughter for being an utter arse and instigating the incident?
Does that boot taste good?
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Posted on 4/20/24 at 11:37 pm to Wishing Well
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There have to be like 50 videso from across the nation using the "furtive movements" language which is hilarious because prior to 10 years ago, you probably couldn't have found 100 people on the planet who'd ever used the words "furtive movements" in normal conversation!
I'd ask the cop to give me the definition of "furtive".
90% of the mouthbreathers wouldn't be able to do it. They're simply trained to say it.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 11:38 pm to Wishing Well
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It is impossible for me to overstate just how rancid this point of view is. Just, utterly disgusting really.
He claims to be a lawyer that defends cops.
Explains that.
Posted on 4/20/24 at 11:38 pm to Dex Morgan
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And you think instigation absolves abhorrent behavior? If I'm a smart arse to the drive thru employee does that mean it's ok for them to spit in my food?
I'm continually amazed by people who will excuse a cop from doing something that would literally get any of the rest of us arrested.
If some girl comes up to me and says shite I don't like, and I get physical with her and slam her to the ground, my arse is getting arrested.
But if a cop gets butthurt, he's allowed to turn violent?
Posted on 4/20/24 at 11:48 pm to Dex Morgan
I can imagine this cop was probably abused as a kid. Whether by his father or by bullies at school and now he's overcompensating with his, "Respect my authoritah" routine.
Hurt people, hurt people.
Hurt people, hurt people.
This post was edited on 4/20/24 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 4/20/24 at 11:54 pm to MoarKilometers
quote:quote:Not as much as Indiana does. They allow you to use deadly force on a cop, if the circumstances warrant it.
You really, really, really hate law enforcement.
How does this mean Indiana hates law enforcement?
Do you believe you're supposed to let a cop use deadly force on you just because he's a cop?
Posted on 4/20/24 at 11:58 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Yes, he opens the door at around 15-16 second mark. Wipers are off at the 19 second mark. He steps back, waits politely for another 15 seconds.
Takes a step forward and waits (again) for another 15 seconds.
We've NO idea what is being said.
At the 49 second mark, he leans forward, hands on his knees, clearly conversing with the driver.
Another 15 seconds or so pass.
More talking....
Not until the 1:20 mark does he reach in & start to pull her out.
Does that seem rather quick? Yes. IMO, it sure does. But again, I've no idea what led up to her being pulled over, what was said, if she was complying, was scared and didn't know what to do... 18 yr old, understandable.
So when you compare your timeline to his statement to his fellow officer, either you are wrong or he lied to the other officer.
He told the other officer that she refused to roll down her window as far as he wanted her to (which is something that does often enrage Gestapo types like this) and he asked her three times. Do you really think that happened the way he said if the door was opened within 15 seconds of him approaching the window?
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Is the cop overly animated? Posturing in an aggressive manner? Angry? Hard to tell from the video.
It was pretty easy to tell that he did all of those things when he was screaming at the guy who couldn't get past her abandoned car at the end of the video.
You bootlickers, how do you excuse that behavior?
Posted on 4/21/24 at 12:03 am to Wishing Well
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Why? Just to prove they CAN make you do as they say?
Yes.
I'd guess 90% of the time that is what causes cops who behave this way to do so. They cannot stand someone who doesn't bend over for anything they command.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 12:06 am to keakar
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because refusing to consent to a search gives them justification to search
No
Posted on 4/21/24 at 12:11 am to keakar
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yes, because refusing to consent to a search gives them justification to search so they are searching it either way.
That's the most asinine logic I've seen in a while.
Cops can't just search you or your property with no reason. (And going 37 in a 30 with a headlight out is not probable cause to search a vehicle.)
If you legitimately believe cops have that kind of authority, you're woefully uninformed. They are merely law enforcement officers.
Edit: Always keep a spare headlight bulb in your glove compartment. For a lot of vehicles, it's extremely easy to replace a headlamp. Don't give cops a reason to pull you over and/or give you a ticket for something so easy to rectify.
This post was edited on 4/21/24 at 12:19 am
Posted on 4/21/24 at 12:29 am to Ricardo
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And going 37 in a 30 with a headlight out is not probable cause to search a vehicle.)
It was raining and I guess by law motorists are required to have the headlights on if their wipers are on. The stop was justified. No comment beyond that.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 12:37 am to AlwysATgr
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The stop was justified.
I don't think anyone is contesting that he was justified in pulling her over. That isn't cause to search a vehicle though.
He even stated that he was just going to give her a warning. So, in his mind, the reason he pulled her over wasn't as big of a deal as her insolence. That's troubling... Glad he got fired.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 12:50 am to goatmilker
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My God I would make this dudes face unrecognizable if that were my daughter.
Riverside
Agreed. All you simply have to do to determine the “tone” of the situation is the cop’s demeanor. No patience, no restraint, full of piss vinegar and aggression. The name of the game is discretion. Abuse of that discretion leads to trouble for them over and over and over.
I’ve had the thought pop into mind a few times as I walk out my back door on a dark night that if I were a person who was out to right a wrong that I’d caused, that dark area just beyond the reach of your outdoor lights, where it’s impossible to see due to background shadowing, right at the far edge of your yard……that’s the place that would worry me about an ambush. Then right back into the darkness. Not necessarily gun play, but bum rushing with a bat or something like that. My point is that I’m surprised that sort of thing doesn’t cross their minds as a deterrent.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 1:17 am to davyjones
I don't know what happened because we can't hear the conversation. But if he told her to step out of the car (and I suspect he did), she was obstructing by not doing so. When Police order you out, you have to get out. This is not speculation, it is clearly written in law.
Here you go:
So, yes the Supreme Court settled this in the 70's for the driver and extended it to passengers in the 90's. If a Cop tells you to get out, it is a crime to refuse. And he can order you out just because he feels like it.
Unfortunately a lot of parents don't tell their kids this and we end up with situations like this. A lot of people are very ignorant of laws surrounding traffic stops.
Here you go:
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An officer's authority to order a driver out of a vehicle at the officer's discretion comes from the US Supreme Court's ruling in Pennsylvania v. Mimms, 434 U.S. 106 (1977). That authority was extended to include ordering a passenger out of a vehicle in Maryland v. Wilson, 519 U.S. 408 (1997).
Note that the officer is not required to have probable cause or even reasonable suspicion of another crime before ordering a vehicle's occupant(s) out of the car. It is also important to note that the officer may order a vehicle's occupant(s) back into the vehicle, as well.
So, yes the Supreme Court settled this in the 70's for the driver and extended it to passengers in the 90's. If a Cop tells you to get out, it is a crime to refuse. And he can order you out just because he feels like it.
Unfortunately a lot of parents don't tell their kids this and we end up with situations like this. A lot of people are very ignorant of laws surrounding traffic stops.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 1:30 am to AUstar
I think “ordering out” is subject to interpretation. I’m not convinced that it necessarily translates to crossing the threshold of use of force. And aside from that no matter the correct interpretation, the use of discretion in this case, considering the any possible threat that the guy could’ve perceived, his use of discretion IMO was blatantly unacceptable. That’s probably the most significant aspect of their training so as to avoid putting the department at unnecessary risk of litigation, not to mention putting their own employment in jeopardy, as was the case here.
I’m not saying there is no time or place for that reaction, but this was definitely not it.
I’m not saying there is no time or place for that reaction, but this was definitely not it.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 1:56 am to AUstar
Sounds like you believe the cop is justified all the way to lethal force if someone dares ask them to explain the reason for the stop before acting on orders. There was a case in Colorado similar to this. The guy that was stopped was experiencing mental incapacitation due to dangerously low blood sugar. The cop threw him to the ground and then proceeded to beat the hell out of him when he "wouldn't put his hands behind his back". The guy literally couldn't comprehend anything. Good to see you're so proud of such behavior.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 3:05 am to Dex Morgan
Most cops are good ones, some aren’t. This one wasn’t
Posted on 4/21/24 at 3:16 am to Dex Morgan
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Really dude? After how cops have treated conservatives the past four years? You love the cops that cried that January 6 was so traumatizing that their officers committed suicide? How about the cop in Texas that threw a grandmother to the ground for not wearing a mask in the bank? How about the Idaho cops that arrested Christians for daring to gather in an outdoor public place and sing hymns in protest of covid lockdowns?
I get it you have a thing out for cops. I probably do too, at least in some cases and locations. But your characterization here is to question the concept of law and order. We need LE watchdogs, if that's you, great. However, we don't need a media frenzy over a few bad cops and a sensationalism of poor cop behavior. We already went through the Saint Floyd of Fentanyl crisis, resulting in a lot of minority business owners losing their business in the name of "justice".
If your intentions are in the interest of better training for LE, great! If you are selling the idea that law and order is on its face corrupt. Then you can frick right off.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 4:59 am to Ponchy Tiger
quote:no but they will just call a k-9 unit which rarely fails to signal on a car cops want to search. If they want to search your car, they eventually will.
If the cops pull you over and tell you they want to search your car are you going to step out and tell them go for it?
quote:completely different situation. Without a warrant tell them to get fricked. But if a cop asks you to exit your vehicle, you have no choice. Penn v Mimms
How about your house?
Posted on 4/21/24 at 5:02 am to keakar
quote:no its exercising a constitutionally protected right.
one way gets you in no trouble, and the other way is an admission you are hiding something,
quote:This is true
but they will still search your car either way
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