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re: Is the reason the left has gone so whacko and extreme because of Trump?
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:00 am to Jaydeaux
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:00 am to Jaydeaux
The started with Obama.
He was/is a deity to those on the far left.
When Hilldawg lost in 2016, it was a rejection of Obama's path he put the country upon. That rejection of Obama's USA to the one of the mean orange man was too much for the progressives, and DC itself.
Also why the country is losing its mind now.
Everyone knows the policies out of DC are Obama 3. It is being rejected again,
Just so happens that Obama administration also runs a Sh*t economy...
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He was/is a deity to those on the far left.
When Hilldawg lost in 2016, it was a rejection of Obama's path he put the country upon. That rejection of Obama's USA to the one of the mean orange man was too much for the progressives, and DC itself.
Also why the country is losing its mind now.
Everyone knows the policies out of DC are Obama 3. It is being rejected again,
Just so happens that Obama administration also runs a Sh*t economy...
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:07 am to ScottFowler
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The started with Obama.
This is like Israel-Hamas. You can pick basically any President since the 60s and say it started there.
Nixon was a reaction to the DEMs (mostly JFK)
Carter was a reaction to Nixon
Reagan was a reaction to Carter
Clinton was a reaction to Reagan/GHWB
Bush was a reaction to Clinton
Obama was a reaction to Bush
Trump was a reaction to Obama
"Biden" was a reaction to Trump
It's a framing argument. There were varying levels of escalation/reaction in each administration.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:16 am to SlowFlowPro
In this case it boils down to a simple fact. If i dont take your money/need your money you cant control me
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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Nixon was a reaction to the DEMs (mostly JFK)
Carter was a reaction to Nixon
Reagan was a reaction to Carter
Clinton was a reaction to Reagan/GHWB
Bush was a reaction to Clinton
Obama was a reaction to Bush
Trump was a reaction to Obama
"Biden" was a reaction to Trump
Any of these deified like Obama by the press and DC?
Now, I'll certainly admit DC has been the only consistently growing city on earth since WW2, because of the consistently growing administrative state.
But like CTH's thesis, the "patriot act" from the Neocon Rs has been turned onto DC's political enemies.
That has led unlawful behavior, and weaponized law unheard of in this country's history. The obvious double standard is leading to "flexible" law of whom has power.
Dangerous... and it is coming from the previous Obama administration who have filled Potato Joe's administration.
You are correct when throwing in some Neocons from Bush for good measure.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:34 am to teke184
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Clinton bled off a lot of Blue Dogs but that may not have been intentional
No, Clinton and David Bonior et al very intentionally 'purified' the party in Washington. It also had the effect of turning Republicans to the left because many of them were now former democrats. Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:38 am to ScottFowler
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Any of these deified like Obama by the press and DC?
Bill Clinton is a bigger deity than Obama is on the Left.
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But like CTH's thesis, the "patriot act" from the Neocon Rs has been turned onto DC's political enemies
Here is a larger point: how can you trust any person who supported the Patriot Act in the first place?
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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You can pick basically any President since the 60s and say it started there.
I think it's always been this way and the technological changes have amplified our awareness. To make it worse those in charge clearly DGAF about us watching them in real time be complete clowns with policy and rule of law. Don't tell me we had a "small government" at any point in time. Corruption is probably at it's lowest point in history, unfortunately.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:47 am to Tvilletiger
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I know where most stand here on Trump. Is there a possible connection with the left going so extreme and his entry into politics?
The vast majority of street level Dims are nothing more than political drones who receive a 24/7/365 Neo/Cultural Marxist download from the Gaslight Media, academia, Hollywood/Pop Culture and Corporate America.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:49 am to Tvilletiger
Mainly a weak college administration with the approval of an extremely weak "president" joey.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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Any of these deified like Obama by the press and DC?
Bill Clinton is a bigger deity than Obama is on the Left.
Not to the far left progressives that are the vocal leader of the Dem party now.
Bernie should have beaten Hilldawg in the 2016 primary based on enthusiasm within the party. If not for inner-party shenanigans, he would have.
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But like CTH's thesis, the "patriot act" from the Neocon Rs has been turned onto DC's political enemies
Here is a larger point: how can you trust any person who supported the Patriot Act in the first place?
I agree. Luckily the MAGA movement is slowly by surely remaking the party away from the Neocon/Uniparty version
Hopefully we will still have a country left when it havs enough votes to make a difference.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 12:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Nixon was a reaction to the DEMs (mostly JFK)
I think you mean "mostly LBJ".
Had Kennedy not been assassinated, he probably serves 2 terms, folllowed by Nixon.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 12:09 pm to Tvilletiger
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Is the reason the left has gone so whacko and extreme because of Trump?
No.
It's not even the reason the right has become so wacko and extreme.
Trump is a symptom, not a cause. He's just a man of his times.
What is happening is that the infestation of populism continues to grow. More people on both sides are unreasonable and addicted to outlandish conspiracy theories and victimhood narratives.
more populism = less reason
more populism = more emotionally driven knee jerk responses
more populism = more belief in ridiculous conspiracy theories
more populism = more unreasonable discontent
Posted on 4/30/24 at 12:10 pm to ScottFowler
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Luckily the MAGA movement is slowly by surely remaking the party away from the Neocon/Uniparty version
It's not slow, it's happening very quickly.
Pretty soon you can rejoice, as there will be no adults left in the room on either side of the aisle.
This post was edited on 4/30/24 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 4/30/24 at 12:11 pm to Tvilletiger
You got that backwards baw,
we have Trump (Thanks God), because of how whacko and extreme the left has become, selling us all out to globalists and turning us all into debt slaves.
we have Trump (Thanks God), because of how whacko and extreme the left has become, selling us all out to globalists and turning us all into debt slaves.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 12:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Bill Clinton is a bigger deity than Obama is on the Left.
What?
I usually agree with you, but nah-ah. The Clintons fell out of favor a few years back.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 12:15 pm to Tvilletiger
After Obama and the way he was elected they thought they’d never lose another election. Many democrats openly said this and when Trump won it scared them so the overreaction has been extreme. They want to accelerate their plans and lock everything down now since it’s become obvious people are catching on to the game.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 12:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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There is always an ebb an flow, with a general leftward movement for society, but I think having such a symbol to rally against has permitted the left to get 2 leftward cycles in a row, without the typical rightward rection. Clearly they're getting to places that aren't palatable for moderate America, but what the non-Left needs is a cycle without some other rallying point (like Dobbs was in 2022) appearing out of thin air. We would have seen a yuge right-based reaction in 2022 but-for Dobbs.
it's going to be interesting to hear, once we're all in the communist gulags, why this is actually all the fault of conservatives being conservative.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 12:16 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
I don't think the JKF is talked about enough. The military industrial complex would not have the hold on American politics that they do if he wouldn't have been assassinated.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 12:20 pm to wutangfinancial
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I think it's always been this way and the technological changes have amplified our awareness.
This is correct, and why people who grew up in the 80s and 90s revere the era as halcyon when it was Hell on Earth
Posted on 4/30/24 at 8:25 pm to wackatimesthree
Bumping this because have been working all day and left my thread. I really feel that Grump just inflames the left more. Been thinking about this all day.
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