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re: Info on Johnson & Johnson’s Covid vaccine

Posted on 3/2/21 at 6:46 pm to
Posted by Feelthebarn
Lower Alabama
Member since Nov 2012
2438 posts
Posted on 3/2/21 at 6:46 pm to
He won't see it
Posted by Tigerholic
Member since Sep 2006
2216 posts
Posted on 3/2/21 at 6:47 pm to
What are the claims about how long it last? 3-4 months?
This post was edited on 3/2/21 at 6:48 pm
Posted by Ailsa
Member since May 2020
3563 posts
Posted on 3/2/21 at 6:53 pm to
All Johnson & Johnson products are manufactured in Chyna.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68423 posts
Posted on 3/2/21 at 6:58 pm to
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Guess I should have known better than to do some research and point out that there is an alternative to the mRNA vaccines. Forgive me, it won’t happen again
The J&J vaccine is basically adding an extra step. You are injected with a virus that contains DNA for the S protein. Your cell then takes that injected DNA and makes mRNA to create the S protein.

Nothing better or much safer about this vaccine vs the others. I took the Moderna.
This post was edited on 3/2/21 at 7:04 pm
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68423 posts
Posted on 3/2/21 at 7:01 pm to
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Not at all. It uses a viral vector to infect your cells and produce the spike protein. 
That has been done before. These viral vectors are also being researched to treat cancer.
Posted by TDsngumbo
Alpha Silverfox
Member since Oct 2011
41713 posts
Posted on 3/2/21 at 7:09 pm to
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I’m more likely to get the JJ vaccine than the mRNA vaccines.

You keep supporting slaughtered babies. I'm proud of my Pfizer vaccine and can't wait to go get my second shot.
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
61329 posts
Posted on 3/2/21 at 7:11 pm to
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All the benefits of their baby powder in an injectable form.
Posted by Pfft
Member since Jul 2014
3711 posts
Posted on 3/2/21 at 7:14 pm to
Just think how much he is going to sweat over there, every time I see him he is sweating like a pig.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
10503 posts
Posted on 3/2/21 at 7:17 pm to
No more tears
Posted by LSUfor8
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2018
324 posts
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:07 pm to
It is more traditional in the sense that a non-replicating, non-viable virus with a gene for the Covid spike protein enters the immune cells and stimulates the immune response based on the production of this spike glycoprotein . Even though Rubella and Measles are not vector viruses (since they don't have added genes from another bacteria or virus), the immune response is generated in the same way, i.e. against a glycoprotein on the attenuated virus.

mRNA vaccines are non-conventional in that no attenuated viral cells enter the immune cells to stimulate an immune response. The mRNA that enters the cells and is solely responsible for production of the protein that stimulates the immune response. This is the first ever mRNA vaccine released for wide spread use. One of the concerns in previous studies on this type of vaccine was the effect it may have on causing an autoimmune response.
Posted by LSUfor8
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2018
324 posts
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:21 pm to
I agree with your premise regarding the extra step. However, what no one knows about mRNA vaccines is what happens if the mRNA degrades before it enters the cells? Steps are taken to ensure that the mRNA fragments don't degrade, but that's impossible to predict or prevent.

There's a reason why mRNA hasn't been used before even though they've been studied since around 2016. The major concern is the potential for stimulation of autoimmune problems.

The mRNA technology may turn out to be the best ever technology. We don't have the info on that, whereas we do have info on standard non-viable, attenuated vaccines and viral vector vaccines.

To each his own. I totally respect your opinion, and like Don Corleone said: "I know you'll do very well, and good luck to you, especially since your interests don't conflict with mine."
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
99296 posts
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:21 pm to
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I’ll take a stick over what’s in yours


What can I say, your mother is quite kinky.

Seriously though, I don’t take anything here seriously. It’s entertainment.
Posted by LSUfor8
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2018
324 posts
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:31 pm to
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Some of the COVID-19 vaccines being studied in clinical trials use cells originally isolated from
fetal tissue (often referred to as fetal cells) in various stages of vaccine development and
manufacturing.
Historical fetal cell lines were derived in the 1960’s and 1970’s from two elective abortions that
were not performed for the purpose of vaccine development. Fetal cell lines were used to create
vaccines for diseases such as hepatitis A, rubella, and rabies. The fetal cells lines being used to
produce some of the potential COVID-19 vaccines are from two sources:
? HEK-293: A kidney cell line that was isolated from a terminated fetus in 1972
? PER.C6: A retinal cell line that was isolated from a terminated fetus in 1985
Any vaccine that relies on these historic cell lines will not require new abortions.

The non-replicating viral vector vaccine produced by Johnson & Johnson did require the use of
fetal cell cultures, specifically PER.C6, in order to produce and manufacture the vaccine.
The Catholic Church and the Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission have both
stated that receiving a COVID-19 vaccine that required fetal cell lines for production or
manufacture is morally acceptable.


LINK
Posted by LSUfor8
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2018
324 posts
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:32 pm to
So happy you're into 89 year olds. My dad will be happy for the days off.
Posted by Indfanfromcol
LSU
Member since Jan 2011
14734 posts
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:33 pm to
Is it confirmed that the stem cells are from dead babies only? I thought they could get stem cells from their umbilical cords.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
99296 posts
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:38 pm to
She’s mighty limber for her age, and experience counts in many ways.
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
36741 posts
Posted on 3/2/21 at 10:01 pm to
Thought I read somewhere here that it’s not an mRNA vaccine BUT it does end up acting the same and causes the spike protein

I’m not wordingjt right but it was something along those lines.

Posted by LSUfor8
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2018
324 posts
Posted on 3/2/21 at 10:26 pm to
Posted by oleusakid
Member since Sep 2020
1069 posts
Posted on 3/2/21 at 10:41 pm to
Why does he have to be a moron? How many of you on this board threatened to leave if Biden won? All talks of South America and European nations wasn't moronic then?

I'd quote you double minded idiots but TD is deleting everything.
Posted by Perse
I identify: LGBFJB
Member since Oct 2020
1472 posts
Posted on 3/3/21 at 12:32 am to
A vaccine is suppose to provide immunity. Pfizer, Moderna and J&J shots does not.
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