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Report: Michigan Scandal (10/27 report, UM hacked OSU practice footage)

Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:09 am
Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:09 am
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Connor Stalions, a football analyst with the Wolverines and a retired captain in the United States Marine Corps, is a person of interest in the investigation into whether No. 2-ranked Michigan violated an NCAA rule by scouting future opponents in person at games, sources said. The NCAA prohibited such scouting in 1994.


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"This is worse than both the Astros and the Patriots -- it's both use of technology for a competitive advantage and there's allegations that they are filming prior games, not just in-game," a Big Ten source said.


ESPN


This is going to be a significant story and won't be going away. Multi year significant sanctions very likely.

There's a reason Michigan State threatened to not play in the game this weekend. They must have the laptop with the videos.


10/26, PM:

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Chris Balas (Michigan insider) said everything is on the table today and how the meetings go today will decide the programs fate. Harbaugh being suspended could very well happen.

NCAA is interviewing coaches and interns. When asked why would Michigan allow this, he said they are embarrassed.


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There’s a less than 25% chance that Harbaugh is their coach next year.



10/27 Rivals Insider:

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“UMPD seized Weiss's computer and other electronic devices that were technically UM property as part of their initial investigation into unauthorized email access. Weiss was allegedly hacking player and other student accounts and stealing "personal" images. UMPD is a part of the UM Division of Public Safety & Security - which has a modest criminal investigations unit. Mostly, they deal with parking, drunks, and vandalism. What they do not have is a meaningful cyber unit. Weiss is not cooperating with the investigation - in other words, he wouldn't give up passwords, etc. So, UMPD brought in a third-party with cyber expertise to access Weiss's files. The cyber investigation revealed suspected CSAM.
(The word "suspected" is intentional because the legal threshold to definitively ascertain a victim's age when the identity of the victim is unknown is a challenge. If the CSAM are clearly images of a six-year old child, then the CSAM is self-evident. If it is a 14-year old? Well, some 18-year olds appear younger than their actual age.
This is relevant in terms of gaining a conviction.)

The digital forensic analysis of the Weiss computer revealed other potential causes for alarm - including this matter which was brought to the attention of the
NCAA due to integrity of game concerns. The same digital devices indicate that Weiss had cookies for a fantasy sports/gaming account. Obviously, this is a very big red flag. The same digital forensic analysis revealed a file sharing system (which is common - most of us have a means of sharing files among people in our companies and networks). However, because of the CSAM concern, there was a want to see exactly WHO was accessing exactly WHAT on the devices. The two names who were accessing the files: Stalions and Jay Harbaugh.

This is not to suggest that Stalions and Jay Harbaugh are involved in CSAM - only that they had access to the same files that Weiss accessed. My assumption would be that this access is NOT SAM-related because Stalions, presumably, would have been terminated at the same time that Weiss was separated from the program. Jim Harbaugh is not remotely liked by most staffers in the athletic department - Jay Harbaugh is even liked less. The general assumption at UM is tht Jim will absolutely lie, obfuscate, mitigate, manipulate, tamper, etc. to shield Jay from any consequence.
Also, Harbaugh's promises of "cooperation" are total BS.
He has been completely uncooperative with the Weiss investigation. If Harbaugh will not support a CAM investigation with multiple victims, does anyone reasonably trust him to cooperate on a NCAA rules infraction case (particularly one that involves his son)?
Anyway, the reporting that the signal stealing and Weiss investigations are "unrelated" is technically correct. But the Weiss investigation has contributed to the digital evidence concerning signal stealing. And Weiss is knee-deep with the Harbaugh family. Jim hired Weiss as a GA at Stanford, and then promoted him to the coaching staff. John then hired Weiss to join his staff with the Ravens. Weiss was part of the Ravens posse that John sent to Jim to rescue his program. Weiss is very, very, very close to Harbaugh. The general belief among UM athletic staff is that there is a tacit agreement:
Harbaugh doesn't cooperate with the Weiss investigation, and Weiss doesn't rat out the depth and reach of the scheme to steal play calls.

The third-party forensic analysis of Weiss's digital devices is what let this particular cat out of the bag. So to the UM apologists who are now questioning the recent WaPo report ("Who broke into our computers???): No one did. Your own PD turned the information over for analysis.”



This post was edited on 10/27/23 at 4:17 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:11 am to
That seems smart
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:11 am to
Now all we need is Michigan to win the big ten for the big ten to be eliminated.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
101545 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:12 am to
Michigan State is in the middle of their own clusterfrick right now and hoping it takes the spotlight off them.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
79084 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:12 am to
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That seems smart


And a significant violation of the rules.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:12 am to
Nothing is worse than the Astros.

This is shaping up to be a major smack down of Michigan, though.
Posted by Splackavellie
Bayou
Member since Oct 2017
11196 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:13 am to
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Nothing is worse than the Astros.
Posted by brewhan davey
Audubon Place
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:16 am to
This is so stupid
Posted by red sox fan 13
Valley Park
Member since Aug 2018
17065 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:20 am to
I'm not going to fault Harbaugh for doing whatever it takes to get the winning edge. Any Joe Fan can go to a game and video the sidelines. A game isn't a closed practice.
Posted by MJackson
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:22 am to
there are numerous pictures of Connor stalions PHYSICALLY at UM games, so there's no way he could have video recorded other teams' games. the only question is whether he was able to convince non-affiliated scouts to record them, and give them to stalions/other UM staffers

all that, BTW, isn't TECHNICALLY against the by-laws. the by-laws state that a staffer isn't allowed to scout in-person of future opponents. it's against the spirit of the rules, but not technically against it

and still doesn't even prove whether or not harbaugh and the staff knew anything about it
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
79084 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:23 am to
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I'm not going to fault Harbaugh for doing whatever it takes to get the winning edge. Any Joe Fan can go to a game and video the sidelines. A game isn't a closed practice.


Posted by DBG
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Member since May 2004
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:23 am to
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and still doesn't even prove whether or not harbaugh and the staff knew anything about it


You know this is not going to matter
This post was edited on 10/20/23 at 11:25 am
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
79084 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:24 am to
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there are numerous pictures of Connor stalions PHYSICALLY at UM games, so there's no way he could have video recorded other teams' games. the only question is whether he was able to convince non-affiliated scouts to record them, and give them to stalions/other UM staffers

all that, BTW, isn't TECHNICALLY against the by-laws. the by-laws state that a staffer isn't allowed to scout in-person of future opponents. it's against the spirit of the rules, but not technically against it

and still doesn't even prove whether or not harbaugh and the staff knew anything about it


He could have been video taping only the best teams, and then be there for Ohio State, Penn State, etc.

But if they were allegedly doing this for Rutgers, they needed to have a team of video guys.
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Member since Jan 2008
51516 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:25 am to
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Any Joe Fan can go to a game and video the sidelines. A game isn't a closed practice.


Especially with discreet smartphones

I can be videoing you from a far distance in a crowd and zoomed in and you wouldn’t even really know
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
79084 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:25 am to
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You know this is not going to matter


Harbaugh: Hey look at that guy in Michigan gear talking to our DC as he is signaling plays in, I wonder who he is? :eyeroll:
Posted by jpainter6174
Boss city
Member since Feb 2014
5873 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:26 am to
Seems like all the NCAA has is allegations, Michigan should defer any questions to their lawyers and tell the NCAA to politely F-off.

How is filming the sidelines during a nationally televised game cheating, if that's cheating your not trying.

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In the bio, Stalions wrote that he attempts to "employ Marine Corps philosophies and tactics into the sport of football regarding strategies in staffing, recruiting, scouting, intelligence, planning and more."


“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
- Sun Tzu, The Art of War

Sounds like he's succeeding to me!

Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
79084 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:26 am to
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Especially with discreet smartphones

I can be videoing you from a far distance in a crowd and zoomed in and you wouldn’t even really know


Do you go on the sidelines and tell the DC what play the other team is running?
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
79084 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:27 am to
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How is filming the sidelines during a nationally televised game cheating


You serious, Clark?
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
47112 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:28 am to
Did we really need another thread on this?
Posted by JackVincennes
NOLA
Member since Jan 2014
4110 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:28 am to
This is ridiculous. Jesus, it seems they have it out for that weird SOB. I have no dog in the fight being an LSU fan but I do love the indignation on Ohio State fans that someone would dare bend the rules a bit to gain a competitive advantage. I still can’t believe this is against the rules tbh. It’s done all the time at the damn High School level.
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