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SI: Why Does MLB Still Allow Synchronized, Team-Sanctioned Racism in Atlanta?

Posted on 10/28/21 at 8:49 am
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 10/28/21 at 8:49 am
The series may be the end of pitchers hitting, the braves mascot and the chop. Much like cleveland making the WS shined the big J light on them. The braves may win the series but like the people they are mocking, their history will be white washed.

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During World Series Games 3, 4 and 5, a nationwide television audience will see a largely white crowd mocking a people its ancestors tried to erase


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Seven months ago, Major League Baseball moved the All-Star Game out of Atlanta in response to institutional racism. On Friday, it will hold the World Series there—and this time, MLB is the institution supporting racism.

The name “Braves” is bad enough. Fans might see it as honoring Native Americans, but in equating them to Tigers and Cardinals, it dehumanizes them. Beyond the name, though, the crowd’s favorite gesture, known as the tomahawk chop, is unconscionable. At every home game, fans raise and lower their right arms in unison, howling a mock war chant. “It’s offensive,” says Claudio Saunt, a professor at Georgia who specializes in Native American history. “I also find it kind of embarrassing, just knowing that the whole country is seeing it on national TV.”
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Evidently. The tomahawk chop is sanctioned by the team, and therefore by MLB. In 2017, commissioner Rob Manfred began to pressure Cleveland to “transition away” from its Chief Wahoo caricature; eventually Cleveland dropped both the mascot and the Indians name. In April, Manfred relocated the All-Star Game to Denver after Georgia passed a law that made it more difficult for people—especially Black people—to vote. Yet Atlanta can lead its fans in a racist chant throughout the game, and MLB does nothing—and therefore supports it.


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Most Native American groups disagree. In large, they say that, given those serious issues, it is especially cruel to have thousands of people making fun of Native Americans at a baseball game. “It is overtly racist,” says Aaron Payment, secretary of the National Congress of American Indians and chairperson of the Sault Ste. Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians. “Whether people understand it or not, it’s overtly racist.”

NCAI president Fawn Sharp released a statement on Wednesday criticizing Manfred's comments. It read, in part, "The name ‘Braves,’ the tomahawk adorning the team’s uniform, and the ‘tomahawk chop’ that the team exhorts its fans to perform at home games are meant to depict and caricature not just one tribal community but all Native people, and that is certainly how baseball fans and Native people everywhere interpret them. ... In our discussions with the Atlanta Braves, we have repeatedly and unequivocally made our position clear – Native people are not mascots, and degrading rituals like the ‘tomahawk chop’ that dehumanize and harm us have no place in American society."


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Game 1 of the NLCS featured 14 chops; Game 2, 20; Game 6, 24, including three on consecutive pitches. Roughly half of these were instigated by fans; the rest were team-initiated, complete with music piped over the PA system and graphics splashed across the jumbotron. During each pitching change, the team went so far as to darken the stadium to set the mood, as fans used their cellphones while they chopped to create a racist light show. And the spectacle travels: During Game 4, which Atlanta won 9–2, a few chops broke out at Dodger Stadium.


I love that this dipshit has racist score card

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Georgia, though, has a lot to do with Native American culture. It was largely due to the state’s influence that the Indian Removal Act of 1830 passed. That law led to the Trail of Tears, the forced migration of some 100,000 people from the southeast to territory in what is now Oklahoma. Some 15,000 people died along the way. The Indian Removal Act was one of the most contentious pieces of legislation to that point; it passed the House of Representatives by only four votes. All seven of Georgia’s members of Congress voted yea.

“Georgia played a really oversized role in formulating Indian policy and Indian removal,” says Saunt. “Without Georgia’s politicians pushing it on the national stage, [the Indian Removal Act] would not have unfolded in the way it did.”

“I have maps—there were Cherokee families living right near Truist Park who were forced out of their homes by state militia in 1838,” Saunt says. “It’s very personal.


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“It’s like if someone denigrated Christianity or 9/11 jumpers,” says Brett Chapman, a Native American rights attorney and enrolled member of the Pawnee Nation who is a vocal opponent of Native American mascots. He imagines 50,000 people in a stadium dressed as Jesus Christ or screaming gibberish in mockery of the national anthem. He imagines the reaction that would get.


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Posted by Cosmo
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 10/28/21 at 8:51 am to
Gotta love it when white progressives tell minorities what they should be offended by
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21041 posts
Posted on 10/28/21 at 8:52 am to
The Atlanta Baseball Team.


Has a nice ring to it.
Posted by Fgiord
America
Member since Nov 2006
4688 posts
Posted on 10/28/21 at 8:54 am to
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racist light show


Never thought I'd see these three words grouped together in this fashion.
Posted by msutiger
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Posted on 10/28/21 at 8:54 am to
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This post was edited on 4/15/23 at 7:54 am
Posted by TankBoys32
Member since Mar 2019
2788 posts
Posted on 10/28/21 at 8:54 am to
If we want to be blunt assholes about it the white man kicked the Indians’ asses and took over the land. We can do whatever the hell we want.

That being said he sounds like a big arse pussy. If I was Native American I would be happy to see people repping my heritage.
This post was edited on 10/28/21 at 9:48 am
Posted by Ghost of Colby
Alberta, overlooking B.C.
Member since Jan 2009
11151 posts
Posted on 10/28/21 at 8:54 am to
SI has swayed my opinion.

Go Braves!
Posted by UltimaParadox
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2008
40832 posts
Posted on 10/28/21 at 8:54 am to
Manfred already said he wont do anything a couple of days ago.

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'End of the story': MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred standing down on Atlanta's tomahawk chop, nickname


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“I think it’s important to understand that we have 30 markets in the country,’’ Manfred said. “Not all are the same. The Braves have done a phenomenal job with the Native American community. The Native American community in that region is fully supportive of the Braves’ program, including the chop. “For me, that’s kind of the end of the story.’’


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Posted by Glorious
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Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 10/28/21 at 8:55 am to
I blame the Natives that were still using tomahawks in the 1600s
This post was edited on 10/28/21 at 8:57 am
Posted by CarolinaGamecock99
Member since Apr 2015
21866 posts
Posted on 10/28/21 at 8:56 am to
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mocking a people its ancestors tried to erase

So let’s just erase it instead! Irony
Posted by UltimaParadox
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2008
40832 posts
Posted on 10/28/21 at 8:56 am to
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the braves mascot


What is racist about Blooper?

Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 10/28/21 at 8:57 am to
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“I think it’s important to understand that we have 30 markets in the country,’’ Manfred said. “Not all are the same. The Braves have done a phenomenal job with the Native American community. The Native American community in that region is fully supportive of the Braves’ program, including the chop. “For me, that’s kind of the end of the story.’’


Who give s shite what the the actual minorities think, these miserable count whites will fill them in on why they need to be offended.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
5898 posts
Posted on 10/28/21 at 8:59 am to
"Mocking".


There's where the left can take something that has one meaning and turn it upside down. By just arbitrarily deciding amongst themselves that people doing a chant that is meant to emulate a warrior chant of the Braves (the people, not the team), is "mocking" them, instead.


And our ancestors didn't try to erase them any more than they (the natives) tried to erase our ancestors. Where peace was possible, peace was made. Where it wasn't, well... there wasn't. Now we can sit here and cherry pick some incidents that took place where our government overstepped. Nobody is going to defend that any more than they will defend what our government is doing to us today. What does that have to do with a bunch of fans in a baseball stadium?


Absolutely nothing.
This post was edited on 10/28/21 at 9:03 am
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
44874 posts
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:02 am to



Yep that’s about what I expected
Posted by David Ricky
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Member since Sep 2015
24182 posts
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:02 am to
I get the Redskins name being offensive to Native Americans and the cartoonish red faced old Indians logo too, but I will never understand how the Braves/Chiefs/FSU’s team names, branding, and tomahawk chops are even remotely racist.

It’s 100% meant as a battle cry and nothing else. And it sounds cool as frick in big moments with a packed crowd.

Do people seriously believe these fans are making fun of native Americans while they are chopping and screaming in the middle of a heated game?
Posted by Eighteen
Member since Dec 2006
33860 posts
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:04 am to
The state voted for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, so they get no sympathy from me. They voted for the party that celebrates pushing causes like this, so….
This post was edited on 10/28/21 at 9:05 am
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
29246 posts
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:04 am to
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The name “Braves” is bad enough. Fans might see it as honoring Native Americans, but in equating them to Tigers and Cardinals, it dehumanizes them.


Does It really? Does anyone truly care about this ?

If you let this affect you, you are so fragile and Need to find a hobby or something
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
8898 posts
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:04 am to
I get why "Redskins" is racist. Its shallow and doesn't project the positive aspects of native americans.

I can even see why Indians can also be seen as racist since the people who they refer to have never set foot in India.

But Braves? Its literally a mascot that celebrates the fighting spirit of the native americans. The fighting spirit that MANY tribes pride themselves on.

What next? Are the Dallas Cowboys racist for having a mascot that didn't free the slaves?
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60119 posts
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:04 am to
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Manfred already said he wont do anything a couple of days ago.


Because Manfred has definitely never caved to the objections of a few losers before
Posted by ducktale
Member since Sep 2021
1531 posts
Posted on 10/28/21 at 9:06 am to
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It’s like if someone denigrated Christianity


Because that never happens.
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