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Is Childhood Hunger in America Really A Problem?

Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:02 am
Posted by Pecker
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:02 am
When a television commercial suggests that we have a starving children epidemic in America, my first thought is "wow, that's awful." And my second thought is, "I don't believe you."



Child Hunger Facts: 1 in 6 may not know where they will get their next meal

That's a very creative (and nebulous) way to communicate that there are hungry children out there. In fact, that statistic is actually a conservative estimate of how bad things could be. Other sources use 1 in 4 and 1 in 5.

Far be it from me, as the proud father of two bird children ( Harry and Caray), to make light of a serious issue affecting children. If anyone thinks kids should have food, it's me. I just want to make sure we aren't spreading information that isn't true. I'm like Whitney Houston - I wanna see the receipts.

We often hear of (and are witness to) hamplanet toddlers and the obesity that's destroying their once tiny bodies. Low-income communities are often cited as disproportionately suffering from the McDonald's induced hamburger plague. So which is it? Are our kids tormented by a burger epidemic, or are they hungry? And who qualifies as "hungry?"

Forbes wondered the same thing:

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Childhood hunger is a nice, safe issue. No politician can be against hungry children, and we are told that the U.S. faces a child hunger problem of massive proportions. Advocacy groups repeat over and over that 16.2 million children (one in five) “struggle with hunger in the United States.” Television appeals show dispirited children going to bed hungry.

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Statistics that become part of our folklore should raise suspicion. When we dig into them, they are usually wrong.

The one-in-five childhood hunger figure should raise red flags for three reasons.

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1) First, studies of poor households show that almost half own their own homes, three quarters own a car, and almost all have a color television. The American poor seem to have money for things other than food for their children, if the one-in-five statistic is to be believed.
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2) Second, advocacy groups (with Michelle Obama as a leading spokesperson) now appear to have decided that the problem is childhood obesity, not hunger. The children, especially of the poor, are not going to bed hungry. They are eating too much of the wrong foods.
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3) Third, if the one-in-five statistic is correct, the public food stamps and school free lunch programs must be colossal failures. Despite their wide reach into poor communities, they apparently leave more than thirty percent of school children “struggling with hunger.”
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Where does the one-in-five figure come from and what does it really measure?
The USDA classifies households as “food insecure” if they report worrying about not having enough money to buy food, if they substitute cheaper foods, skip meals, or eat less for financial reasons. If they do these things frequently, they are classified as “very low food secure.”
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Not publicized by the childhood hunger lobby are the USDA’s most direct measures of childhood hunger. They reveal that between one and two percent of families “cut the size of children's meals” or report that “children were hungry” or “skipped meals.” And only one tenth of one percent of families reported that “children did not eat for a whole day.” These findings do not suggest, to say the least, an epidemic of childhood hunger.
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A wealthy nation like the United States should have no hungry children. The USDA figures show that we are close to this ideal. That “food insecure” families spend almost enough to buy the government’s suggested minimum balanced diet tells us that the problem is poor food choice, not hunger per se.

Forbes: Are One In Five American Children Hungry?
This post was edited on 7/11/18 at 11:06 am
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:03 am to
Yea, the 1 in 5 to 1 n 6 number they report seems awfully high. But I absolutely recognize I come from a better place than average, so my view is skewed.


Like you, I'm very skeptical of their claim.
Posted by TheIndulger
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:04 am to
I saw something about that on a box of hot pockets or something. It seemed surprising and I didn’t really believe it either
Posted by FearTheFish
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:04 am to
I'm pretty sure there are some hungry kids in America. Not "fat hungry" - actual hungry, malnourished children.

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my first thought is "wow, that's awful." And my second thought is, "I don't believe you."


Wouldn't expect anything less.
Posted by Tyga Woods
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:05 am to
If they’re hungry it isn’t due to free food being unavailable. It’s due to dumb, lazy parents. Same reason why schools fail. Dumb. Lazy. Parents.
Posted by TheFonz
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Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:05 am to
The resources are there to prevent American children from going hungry. In the end, it just depends on how big of a crackwhore mom is. Does she sell her food stamps for drug money? Is she too wasted most of the time to even feed the kid? If a kid goes hungry, it is because of the parent. I don't believe this 1 in 5 shite.
Posted by Displaced
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:07 am to
1 in 6 kids goes hungry.

1 in 3 kids look like they need to skip meal or two.
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Posted by Pecker
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Member since May 2015
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:09 am to
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I'm pretty sure there are some hungry kids in America. Not "fat hungry" - actual hungry, malnourished children.


Yes. There are hungry people everywhere. Your strawman question is not what I was asking. I was asking if it’s a 1 in 5 or 1 in 6 epidemic. Forbes doesn’t seem to think so. Neither does the USDA (the loose source for 1 in 5 or 1 in 6) when you really look into the numbers.

I know it sounds strange, but please hear me out. When someone gives me information, I like to verify that information before accepting it as fact.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:11 am to
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But it isn’t true. “Food insecurity” is a statistic designed to mislead. USDA defines food insecurity as being “uncertain of having, or unable to acquire, enough food to meet the needs of all their members because they had insufficient money or other resources for food.” USDA noted: “For most food-insecure households, the inadequacies were in the form of reduced quality and variety rather than insufficient quantity.”

The definition of “food insecure” includes anyone who frets about not being able to purchase food at any point. If someone states that they feared running out of food for a single day (but didn’t run out), that is an indicator of being “food insecure” for the entire year — regardless of whether they ever missed a single meal. If someone wants organic kale but can afford only conventional kale, that is another “food insecure” indicator.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:12 am to
Working in education, I absolutely believe that stat.

Now the debate as to why they’re starving is a whole other thing.
Posted by ellishughtiger
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:14 am to
Absolutely

Especially when parents are selling their food stamps for oxy and crack.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:14 am to
If a kid is going hungry, that's strictly on their parents. At some point, there is nothing the public can do

Most poor people I see in public, besides the homeless, are overweight
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
36428 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:15 am to
Absolutely not. When our beggars and poor start looking like Jews in a concentration camp, then you can say we have a hunger problem.

As of now, our poor are as wide as they are tall and our beggars eat a more nutritious meal than half of the world
THIS is what starving looks like. Let me know when tiny tim in 2nd hour science looks like this.
This post was edited on 7/11/18 at 11:32 am
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
71308 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:15 am to
I think you are lying

The data simply does not indicate childhood hunger is a thing

Being unable to eat the food you want is not being hungry
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:17 am to
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Working in education, I absolutely believe that stat.


And yet I’d bet the clothes off my back that they eat a more nutritious meal than over half the worlds population.

They aren’t starving.
Posted by Pecker
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Member since May 2015
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:18 am to
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Working in education, I absolutely believe that stat.
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Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:20 am to
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I think you are lying



Just throwing out what I’ve seen on a regular basis. Sorry, not sorry.

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Being unable to eat the food you want is not being hungry


I’ve seen plenty of kids who should be getting fed but aren’t because their parents abuse the system. Does the data say they’re getting those food stamps? Sure. Is it actually making it to the kid’s mouths in the form of food? Not always.

And that’s not even accounting for kids who have been removed from homes and placed with family members who are on fixed incomes (see: Grandparents) but do not receive the assistance in some states that they would if the kid was placed in foster care instead.
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:21 am to
When's the last time you heard of a child in America dying from starvation, excluding crazy parents that purposely torture and withhold food?
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:23 am to
I remember being hungry as a child because both of my parents worked so we didn’t qualify for food stamps. I was jealous of the ebt kids because they’d get 2 carts full of little Debbie cakes and pop tarts and crab legs and t bone steaks and all I had was great value and ground meat
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
36428 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:25 am to
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Just throwing out what I’ve seen on a regular basis. Sorry, not sorry.


Show me where tiny Tim’s ribs are sticking out. Where you can see his arm and leg bones because he’s literally starving.

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I’ve seen plenty of kids who should be getting fed but aren’t because their parents abuse the system.


Just because they’re getting instant mashed taters and spam instead of steak and a baked potato doesn’t mean they aren’t getting fed.

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Sure. Is it actually making it to the kid’s mouths in the form of food? Not always.


No. It always is. Because they aren’t starving. Wanna see starving? Go to a village in the middle of nowhere Africa.

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And that’s not even accounting for kids who have been removed from homes and placed with family members who are on fixed incomes (see: Grandparents) but do not receive the assistance in some states that they would if the kid was placed in foster care instead.


And yet they still eat better than half of the world and aren’t starving.
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