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re: Medium article: No, Tolkien's "The Lord of the Rings" isn't Christian...
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:03 pm to LSU Coyote
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:03 pm to LSU Coyote
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Who cares
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Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:07 pm to LSU Coyote
kind of weird that the magic in LOTR was ok for me as a child but the magic in Harry Potter was a no no
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:07 pm to RollTide1987
One of the comments from a likely furry fetishist that can't stand the idea that his lord of the rings sex fantasy is a fraud, so he projects his sex wants on it:
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Having read everything Tolkien wrote many times through, it's hard for me to imagine how anyone could think it has an explicitly Christian theme. Influenced? I guess. As a product of his culture, Tolkien would be no more capable of writing a novel completely uninfluenced by Christianity then I would be, and I'm an atheist.
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Of course as a children's story, it hardly compares to the epic ring trilogy and all its backstory. I can't believe I just read a suggestion that "The Return of the King" is a Christ reference. I guess if you just look at those words you might think so, except that the Tolkien king in question plays no redemptive role for humanity, elves, dwarves, or for anyone else. His return in fact marks the beginning of a decline and eventual falling of his city and his house.
Meanwhile, as the king was returning to little avail, the world was actually being temporarily saved by someone completely different, and not by a king at all – well, by two somebodies, Frodo and Sam, though Frodo gets most of the credit. (And what a queer-coded couple they make! Sam's tender love for Frodo reads as all but explicitly romantic.)
Christian? The idea is laughable.
This post was edited on 1/24/22 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:10 pm to southernelite
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Regardless of the books, the movies were terribly boring.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:16 pm to MaroonMonsoon
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Only a small, violent minority. Muslims believe Jesus was Divine and will be resurrected. We can work together.
As a guy who's actually been to a moderate muslim country, I can assure you that while on paper, we're all "People of the Book" what you're pushing is a ridiculous lie in reality.
Muslims do not believe Jesus was divine. They think that belief makes Christianity polytheistic. They believe he was a prophet and that Paul was a heretic. They like Moses, Solomon, and Jesus. If you've read up on the destruction of Constantinople, you know that Muslims have very little good will for Christians in practice.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:20 pm to RollTide1987
these are the same people who insist people with dicks are women.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:21 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Meanwhile, as the king was returning to little avail, the world was actually being temporarily saved by someone completely different, and not by a king at all – well, by two somebodies, Frodo and Sam, though Frodo gets most of the credit. (And what a queer-coded couple they make! Sam's tender love for Frodo reads as all but explicitly romantic.)
In his defense the concept that two dudes can be bonded in friendship to the point of brotherhood without wanting to suck each other off is completely foreign to limp-wristed leftists.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:23 pm to MaroonMonsoon
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Only a small, violent minority.
Maybe.
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Muslims believe Jesus was Divine and will be resurrected.
They do not believe Jesus was divine. They believe he was a prophet.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:24 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:25 pm to tiggerthetooth
What the hell is queer coded? 
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:26 pm to MaroonMonsoon
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Atheists will forever be at war with the Followers of Abraham.
If you bitch slap an atheist they shite themselves, every single time.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:28 pm to MaroonMonsoon
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We can work together.
well we arent sending thousands of people to walk thousands of miles to stab each other with knives anymore so I guess thats a start.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:28 pm to RollTide1987
So Tolkien says it's a Catholic piece of work but someone writing on Medium says that Tolkien was mistaken. I'll go with Tolkien on this.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:31 pm to RollTide1987
Progressives are eaten up with hate for everything traditional.
The primary qualifier to being progressive is extreme hatred.
The primary qualifier to being progressive is extreme hatred.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:35 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Progressives are eaten up with hate for everything traditional
They don’t even have a reason for their hatred, because they don’t have thoughts of their own. They are much like the orcs. They can only oppose the light and the natural and right, because they are corruptions themselves.
Their raiments are falsehood and degeneracy.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Progressives are eaten up with hate for everything traditional.
The primary qualifier to being progressive is extreme hatred.
lol I love that you make this statement in defense of Christianity.
No extreme hatred in the history of Christianity at all that you can think of?
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:37 pm to fr33manator
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They can only oppose the light and the natural and right, because they are corruptions themselves.
Marx fricked over the world. Well, the idiots who still put faith in the words he wrote 160 years ago.
They simply parrot what they are told, and most can't tell you why they hate whiteness or Western values like they do.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:38 pm to RollTide1987
When do we get the articles on how Chronicles of Narnia isn’t Christian but instead a Flying Spaghetti Monster text?
Posted on 1/24/22 at 2:00 pm to RollTide1987
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To listen to Christians, you’d think Tolkien was a clearly Christian writer.
Tolkien was one of the most Catholic dudes on the planet; of course he was clearly a Christian Writer.
Also, the basic origin story is about a monotheistic god who creates a serious of immortal entities. The most beloved one, Melkor, falls from grace and becomes the embodiment of evil, name changes to Morgoth. From then on it's a battle between light and dark.
It's essentially the christian creation myth. God makes angels. The most beloved angel, lucifer, falls from grace and his name changes to Satan.
It doesn't take a genius to see the religious influence in Tolkien's work. He also uses a ton of mythological elements, specifically norse mythology. But to say that negates any Christian element is absurd. Tolkien reinvented fantasy as we know it today and used a number of different elements to do so.
Article is trying way too hard to pigeonhole LOTR to fit one box. It's impossible to say "the book means this one thing" for a world that is so vast.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 2:12 pm to thermal9221
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Who cares
About LOTR? Idk, The majority of the world?
It's arguably most influential work of fiction ever written. If you include the hobbit it's sold more than 300 million copies, topped only by Don Quixote, which was published 300+ years before LOTR.
It has also completely redefined the fantasy genre. Virtually all fantasy works since LOTR have incorporated elements of LOTR. Dragons guarding gold, Dwarves living in mountains and hoarding gold, the modern version of elves, the words Elv/Elves, Dwarv/Dwarves; all were popularized by Tolkien. He took most of this from Norse Mythology, but they were not common elements in fantasy until Tolkien wrote The Hobbit.
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