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Any direct interaction with diversity hires? Screw DEI
Posted on 12/21/23 at 8:26 am
Posted on 12/21/23 at 8:26 am
Have you had any direct, day-to-day interaction with diversity hires? I have. 2X. In short, both brought the communication process and normal exchange of information to a grinding halt. Even in time-sensitive circumstances, both seem to feel that waiting for a protracted period to reply was ok. One (after 3 reminders) just vanished. The other waited 10 days to initiate action for a chronic problematic issue that needed immediate attention (all explained before hand in great detail).
In general, they tell you whatever you want to hear and then leave you hanging in the wind while deadlines approach. When later confronted, they simply deny they said what they said. Accountability and reason seem to be foreign concepts to them. They are experts at raising expectations - and having them dashed. Sometimes, I felt they actually enjoyed seeing my frustration.
Dismissive. Insulting. Off-putting. Screw DEI. The institutionalizing of tails wagging dogs.
In general, they tell you whatever you want to hear and then leave you hanging in the wind while deadlines approach. When later confronted, they simply deny they said what they said. Accountability and reason seem to be foreign concepts to them. They are experts at raising expectations - and having them dashed. Sometimes, I felt they actually enjoyed seeing my frustration.
Dismissive. Insulting. Off-putting. Screw DEI. The institutionalizing of tails wagging dogs.
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Posted on 12/21/23 at 8:30 am to tigerpawl
They'll fade away hopefully once all this ESG shite crumbles under it's own weight.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 8:33 am to tigerpawl
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communication process and normal exchange of information
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time-sensitive circumstances,
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Accountability and reason
If you quit with the White Privilege language, maybe those oppressed slaves could understand you and better perform their assigned tasks !
Posted on 12/21/23 at 8:34 am to Gifman
If you work at any Government institution or Fortune 500 company, you absolutely have direct interaction with a diversity hire and more than likely you work for them, directly or indirectly.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 8:34 am to Gifman
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They'll fade away hopefully once all this ESG shite crumbles under it's own weight.
Hopefully this IBM stuff will push companies that way. We have got to stop letting a bunch of foreigners and government bureaucrats dictate our hiring policies.
To the OP: My company is eaten up with it right now. A lot of professionals hired from black diploma mills who are supposed to be tech experts and can't wipe their own butt without someone holding their hand. It's getting ugly. Now they've started pumping them into the maintenance groups, so that should be a real gas.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 8:39 am to tigerpawl
You still don't get it? The whole plan here is that you do the work for them and they take the credit. Either you do that you they file endless DEI complaints against you for being a racist misogynist tyrant.
You do their work for them and they will love you. What? You don't have time to do their work and yours too? frick you.
You do their work for them and they will love you. What? You don't have time to do their work and yours too? frick you.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 8:41 am to Woodlands Tigah
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If you quit with the White Privilege language, maybe those oppressed slaves could understand you and better perform their assigned tasks !
This exactly. When he learns that it's easier to just do their work for them, he'll be more happy (if working 85 hours a week makes him happy).
Don't like it? Company says, frick You.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 8:43 am to Ribbed
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To the OP: My company is eaten up with it right now. A lot of professionals hired from black diploma mills who are supposed to be tech experts and can't wipe their own butt without someone holding their hand. It's getting ugly. Now they've started pumping them into the maintenance groups, so that should be a real gas.
The idea is that you need to do their work for them or double-slot the position with somebody who will competently do all of the work.
These kinds of jobs are practically "no show" jobs for the DEI hire.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 8:45 am to tigerpawl
I will tell you where I have recently. At my daughter school. I have been having to deal with some hires that are absolutely horrible at what they do. I cannot believe they even have the jobs they do.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 8:50 am to Tvilletiger
I say this in an analytical sense: they have been stamped early on in their lives with a cultural DNA that makes adaptation impossible.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:08 am to tigerpawl
At my job the only DEI hires I've seen are floor workers and our dispatch manager.
With the floor workers, they took the hiring process away from our operations manager and went with an outside contractor "recruiting and hiring team" to place new employees in the facility.
The overall quality of new floor workers has gone pretty much to shite. Over the past two years they've hired and placed 4 women on the floor, and three of them didn't make it past their first day of labor. The fourth was one hell of a tough Native broad who made it a whole 10 days. We tried telling the contractor that this just isn't a job for women (floor work is extremely high stress and physical) but it's like they just have to keep trying to find a woman to prove us wrong. Aside from that, we went through three years of revolving-door turnover because of "minority" hires. They refuse for some reason to hire Mexicans, but they'll hire any black dude with a pulse and it has caused attrition. We work with some really great black guys and some pretty sorry white guys, so it's definitely not a color thing, but when there are 30 applicants for a position and 29 of them are ignored because they're white, I sure wish the recruiter wouldn't make it a color thing.
The dispatch manager, OTOH, found the right knob to gobble and is pretty openly having an affair with the guy that used to be her boss before he changed from ops to the engineering side. I wouldn't necessarily say she's bad at her job but she's certainly not good at it, and one of the requirements for that job is to run driver routes in a pinch when necessary, and in two years she has never done so because she can't do the physical labor so she delegates and gets away with it. Our HR team won't touch the issue because they're also woke and ate up with the DEI, so they just pretend it's not a problem.
Thankfully my coworker and I answer to the engineering side of the company that acts almost as its own independent entity, and completely avoids the crap that muddies the waters, but I still have to work in the same facility and deal with the same bad hires made by an outsider.
With the floor workers, they took the hiring process away from our operations manager and went with an outside contractor "recruiting and hiring team" to place new employees in the facility.
The overall quality of new floor workers has gone pretty much to shite. Over the past two years they've hired and placed 4 women on the floor, and three of them didn't make it past their first day of labor. The fourth was one hell of a tough Native broad who made it a whole 10 days. We tried telling the contractor that this just isn't a job for women (floor work is extremely high stress and physical) but it's like they just have to keep trying to find a woman to prove us wrong. Aside from that, we went through three years of revolving-door turnover because of "minority" hires. They refuse for some reason to hire Mexicans, but they'll hire any black dude with a pulse and it has caused attrition. We work with some really great black guys and some pretty sorry white guys, so it's definitely not a color thing, but when there are 30 applicants for a position and 29 of them are ignored because they're white, I sure wish the recruiter wouldn't make it a color thing.
The dispatch manager, OTOH, found the right knob to gobble and is pretty openly having an affair with the guy that used to be her boss before he changed from ops to the engineering side. I wouldn't necessarily say she's bad at her job but she's certainly not good at it, and one of the requirements for that job is to run driver routes in a pinch when necessary, and in two years she has never done so because she can't do the physical labor so she delegates and gets away with it. Our HR team won't touch the issue because they're also woke and ate up with the DEI, so they just pretend it's not a problem.
Thankfully my coworker and I answer to the engineering side of the company that acts almost as its own independent entity, and completely avoids the crap that muddies the waters, but I still have to work in the same facility and deal with the same bad hires made by an outsider.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:12 am to Champagne
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You still don't get it? The whole plan here is that you do the work for them and they take the credit. Either you do that you they file endless DEI complaints against you for being a racist misogynist tyrant.
You do their work for them and they will love you. What? You don't have time to do their work and yours too? frick you.
And, in a short period, they get promoted or leave for a better paying job. This is how government works, whether it's state, local or federal. Government only fricks up, it never fricks down. The worse they are at their job, the higher the ceiling, as long as they check the right boxes.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:13 am to tigerpawl
Women and minorities don’t want to work. Diversity is for companies that are failing.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:19 am to tigerpawl
About 20 years ago, I had a discussion at a backyard BBQ with a neighbor who worked for AT&T. The state of Georgia was accepting bids for a contract to revamp their entire systems infrastructure. I believe Lucent and one of the baby Bells each cobbled together a consortium of companies to bid on the contract, in addition to AT&T. There was a requirement that in order to win the bid, you had to have a minority owned contractor on your team.
AT&T won the bid, and my neighbor was involved in the early project planning meetings. There was a black guy who was responsible for some infrastructure piece of the project (laying wire, or something), but he didn't seem to know anything about what it was that he was supposed to do. Not long after the project started, the black guy stopped coming to the meetings. My neighbor asked questions about where the guy was and was told not to worry about it. The guy was just a lawyer who represented a ghost company that fulfilled the "minority component" of the team. He got paid a couple of million bucks to fill that role and then he left once he was paid. AT&T had planned to do that work all along, but needed the lawyer to get the contract.
The ultimate "do nothing" job. That lawyer had a scam going and was doing very well. I'm sure everyone knew and nobody raised any questions. The objective of providing jobs for black employees was totally ignored.
AT&T won the bid, and my neighbor was involved in the early project planning meetings. There was a black guy who was responsible for some infrastructure piece of the project (laying wire, or something), but he didn't seem to know anything about what it was that he was supposed to do. Not long after the project started, the black guy stopped coming to the meetings. My neighbor asked questions about where the guy was and was told not to worry about it. The guy was just a lawyer who represented a ghost company that fulfilled the "minority component" of the team. He got paid a couple of million bucks to fill that role and then he left once he was paid. AT&T had planned to do that work all along, but needed the lawyer to get the contract.
The ultimate "do nothing" job. That lawyer had a scam going and was doing very well. I'm sure everyone knew and nobody raised any questions. The objective of providing jobs for black employees was totally ignored.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:20 am to BugAC
Another instance of the dumbing down of the nation. Folks wanna be like Europe, this gets you there. Folks in most Euro nations are lazy and slow and just don’t give a crap when things get done. We get closer to that every day.
AI is getting us there too. Oh, but it’s great, look what all it can do for you. Yep, and it makes you even dumber because you don’t have to think for yourself.
Down, down we go.
I just came back from a 3rd World country. Their airport was run more efficiently and easier to get through than any in the US I’ve been through. Our customs area looked and operated more like 3rd World than the actual 3rd World.
AI is getting us there too. Oh, but it’s great, look what all it can do for you. Yep, and it makes you even dumber because you don’t have to think for yourself.
Down, down we go.
I just came back from a 3rd World country. Their airport was run more efficiently and easier to get through than any in the US I’ve been through. Our customs area looked and operated more like 3rd World than the actual 3rd World.
This post was edited on 12/21/23 at 9:21 am
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:20 am to tigerpawl
No, my based boss says we're a pure meritocracy.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:23 am to Gifman
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They'll fade away hopefully once all this ESG shite crumbles under it's own weight.
This has been going on since well before ESG or CRT/DEI. I remember nearly losing my job in radio back in the early 90's because the FCC had heavily implied to station ownership that unless they hired someone black for the station I worked at, they would be denied the CP (construction permit) for a new station. Keep in mind that this station was a light rock station (the format was still very new at the time), had just come off being a satellite station less than a year earlier and that no one black had ever applied for any position there. Ever. We had to create a shift (3 hours carved out of the start of my evening shift) then actively recruit black applicants (of which, we ended up with only one applying).
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:25 am to LSUbest
At my last employer, I got a promotion about a year before I left. My boss told me in confidence that he wanted me, but the process took longer than normal because they were waiting to see if any more candidates applied and if a woman or minority applied he would have had to have hired them.
This post was edited on 12/21/23 at 9:25 am
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:27 am to tigerpawl
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Sometimes, I felt they actually enjoyed seeing my frustration.
I you don’t realize it’s intentional, you are very naive.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:36 am to TigerAxeOK
quote:Interesting. I've had a number of interactions with Mexicans and find their "culture" to be engaging, bright, ambitious, and of good work ethic. Willing to please and appreciative of their position. The reason why recruiters shy away from them is because they are what I consider "The Great Contrast" and irrefutable evidence that it can be done if you get off your arse.
They refuse for some reason to hire Mexicans, but they'll hire any black dude with a pulse
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