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Posted on 5/25/26 at 9:33 am to Mo Jeaux
“Some nice red meat fir the poliboard this morning”
So it’s not correct?
So it’s not correct?
Posted on 5/25/26 at 9:39 am to stlslick
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or cut their balls off
Posted on 5/25/26 at 9:41 am to JohnnyKilroy
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The federal government should set a maximum house price too.
The government (politicians) picking winners and losers through crony capitalism is THE problem.
I'm a fan of Tesla and Elon but government subsidies basically covered the start up cost. Elon kept it going unlike many of the other BS green energy initiatives that took taxpayers $ and never produced anything of value.
Posted on 5/25/26 at 9:44 am to junior
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that the largest market for their drugs will only accept the cheapest price.
Why is the company not setting its price? This pill costs $10 to EVERYBODY. Do you Germans want it, or not?
Never have a customer tell Ford, "We will only pay $5 for your automobile, then start shipping them thousands of cars.
Posted on 5/25/26 at 9:45 am to TBoy
quote:and the drugs would not be developed.
We could do this too
quote:We 100% are, and have been subsidizing Europe for 80 yrs. Meanwhile, they celebrated socialism as a healthcare cost container, and US socialists agreed. So vis-a-vis medicare, Stark laws, Obamacare, etc., we injected enough socialism into our system to ruin it.
We are not “subsidizing Europe.
This post was edited on 5/25/26 at 9:47 am
Posted on 5/25/26 at 9:49 am to NC_Tigah
Germany definitely knows all about negative "social climates."
Posted on 5/25/26 at 9:51 am to Rip Torner
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mouth breather
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Rip Torner
Self-awareness is definitely not your strong suit. Posted on 5/25/26 at 9:52 am to Nosevens
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So it’s not correct?
It definitely doesn’t discuss the full story.
Posted on 5/25/26 at 9:56 am to Mo Jeaux
Sure thing chief, we could be discussing our favorite colors and you would somehow manage to screw it up with some goofy argument
Posted on 5/25/26 at 10:01 am to Mo Jeaux
Well full story takes 100 plus years of helping Europe so I guess that’s correct but subject matter is correct
Posted on 5/25/26 at 10:04 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:Interesting.
It definitely doesn’t discuss the full story.
What is the "full story" in your opinion?
Posted on 5/25/26 at 10:04 am to SlowFlowPro
You rarely reference anything
Posted on 5/25/26 at 10:53 am to Rip Torner
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Rip Torner
You’re retarded.
Posted on 5/25/26 at 10:55 am to NC_Tigah
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We 100% are, and have been subsidizing Europe for 80 yrs. Meanwhile, they celebrated socialism as a healthcare cost container, and US socialists agreed. So vis-a-vis medicare, Stark laws, Obamacare, etc., we injected enough socialism into our system to ruin it.
Capitalists used to refer to the European price demands as “purchasing power from buying in bulk.” That is what allows Blue Cross to pay less for medical procedures than we can pay as individuals in cash. That is the same principle that gives large programs like Medicare the power to negotiate prices. There is no reason why Americans should have poorer health outcomes due to individual citizens being unable to afford basic or necessary medical care. Your blaming “socialism” is meaningless.
Posted on 5/25/26 at 11:16 am to TBoy
quote:That is a complete total Eurocentric croc, propagated by socialists in their system. There is one thing and one thing only that the Europeans do better than the US in healthcare, and that is their "med-mal" system. Ours adds tremendously to cost and detracts from quality. Theirs adds to quality without affecting cost.
There is no reason why Americans should have poorer health outcomes due to individual citizens being unable to afford basic or necessary medical care.
The "buying pharmaceuticals in bulk" business which you cite, only works at the levels that it does in Europe and Canada, because the United States has historically accepted a resulting transfer of cost in exchange for continuing global R&D.
The economic profit point of a pharmaceutical might have been X, while utility in the US and in Europe was 50-50. Meanwhile. Europe was funding only 25%X while the US was funding 75%X. That is not a matter of bulk buying. That is a matter of cost shifting. When the US demanded that we pay only an accordance with our use, our cost declines 1/3, while the European cost increases two-fold.
To bring that fact home, the 2025 changes in US pharmaceutical pricing and reduced cost-shifting resulted in one of two things in Europe. (1) Medicines which the European market refused to pay actual price were no longer made available to their patients, or (2) the price of those medicines in the European market increased dramatically. Again, that is not a feature of "bulk pricing." It is a feature of cost shifting.
The US allowed cost shifting to go on far too long, in part because the motivation was/is to socialize medicine here.
This post was edited on 5/25/26 at 11:36 am
Posted on 5/25/26 at 11:20 am to NC_Tigah
Off subject, but damn, did anybody watch Trump lay the Wreath? That was some heavy stuff. I could feel Trump and the Wreath Soldier struggling to hold it.
God knows what our Christian Nation has borne for the cause of the same Freedom (Free Will) that our Creator allows us.
God knows what our Christian Nation has borne for the cause of the same Freedom (Free Will) that our Creator allows us.
Posted on 5/25/26 at 11:29 am to omegaman66
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Europe is not forcing anyone to lower the cost without the seller agreeing to it.
You’re flat out wrong. There’s absolutely a two tier pricing system wrt Europe vs the US. Even then the Europeans (and Britain) push it to the point where if pharma doesn’t meet the pricing they refuse to allow it on the formulary.
Posted on 5/25/26 at 11:34 am to OchoDedos
X has made the return to status quo impossible.
Posted on 5/25/26 at 11:36 am to Free888
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You’re flat out wrong. There’s absolutely a two tier pricing system wrt Europe vs the US. Even then the Europeans (and Britain) push it to the point where if pharma doesn’t meet the pricing they refuse to allow it on the formulary.
I didn't say there wasn't a two tier pricing system. I said we allow it. We do not have to give them lower prices. Just say no.
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